The ultimate trade up

[vintagerookies51]

Getting real tired of the negativity on this board. Stephen isn't asking you to donate to a gofundme for him to get a '52 Mantle. He's announcing a challenging project that he's taking on, just in case anyone is interested in trading. If you're not, move on to a new thread! It's that simple.

By no means is he asking for $1,000 cards in exchange for a $500 card. I participated in this trading, and was very pleased. If someone is looking for a card that doesn't come up for sale often and this guy has it, of course they are going to pay (trade) a premium for it! You're not spending any money, after all.

[ullmandds]

oops wrong thread!

[njdunkin1]

Anything available around 200 liquid value, Stephen? I have a Tenney Hindu T206 that I would love to trade :]

[EYECOLLECTVINTAGE]

Originally Posted by njdunkin1

Anything available around 200 liquid value, Stephen? I have a Tenney Hindu T206 that I would love to trade :]

Hey PM me!!

[irv]

Originally Posted by irv

When you purchase a card from someone here or an A/H, do they ask what your plans are with the card?

Odd question, imo, Jake.

Originally Posted by vintagerookies51

Getting real tired of the negativity on this board. Stephen isn't asking you to donate to a gofundme for him to get a '52 Mantle. He's announcing a challenging project that he's taking on, just in case anyone is interested in trading. If you're not, move on to a new thread! It's that simple.

By no means is he asking for $1,000 cards in exchange for a $500 card. I participated in this trading, and was very pleased. If someone is looking for a card that doesn't come up for sale often and this guy has it, of course they are going to pay (trade) a premium for it! You're not spending any money, after all.

Exactly why I said what said! Stephen, not once, that I read, asked anyone to go out of their way to sell/trade their cards for less value, take a hit, lose, swallow, give up anything in order for him to obtain a 52 Mantle.

If people read it that way and were willing to take a loss on a card(s) in order to help him out, then my hats off to you, but that is not what he was asking anyone to do.

[PhillipAbbott79]

Direct quote. Post number 1.

"I am not picky in what I want in return. Just something I can trade that is worth more than what I am offering here."

[Bpm0014]

"I am not picky in what I want in return. Just something I can trade that is worth more than what I am offering here."

But isn't that almost everyone's ultimate goal? To trade a $75 card for a $100 card? To feel like they "got a good deal"? Like, that isn't a new concept...

[irv]

Originally Posted by PhillipAbbott79

Direct quote. Post number 1.

"I am not picky in what I want in return. Just something I can trade that is worth more than what I am offering here."

Like what has been mentioned more than once, if you have a card that you no longer want or see a card that you want more and are willing to trade/sell, then lets do a deal.

I highly doubt anyone has traded/sold him a card and taken a loss in order to help him out with his quest.

Maybe I'm wrong, and like I mentioned, if you did then my hat is off to you as that is truly admirable, but that is not what he was asking anyone to do.

[rats60]

Originally Posted by irv

Like what has been mentioned more than once, if you have a card that you no longer want or see a card that you want more and are willing to trade/sell, then lets do a deal.

I highly doubt anyone has traded/sold him a card and taken a loss in order to help him out with his quest.

Maybe I'm wrong, and like I mentioned, if you did then my hat is off to you as that is truly admirable, but that is not what he was asking anyone to do.

Isn't the whole point of this thread that you have to take a loss to trade with him? So, everyone who trades with him is taking a loss to help him out.

[jhs5120]

Originally Posted by rats60

Isn't the whole point of this thread that you have to take a loss to trade with him? So, everyone who trades with him is taking a loss to help him out.

Imagine you have a lot worth $700-$1,100. This may be a high grade common, a mixed lot of random cards or an obscure issue. You trade that lot to Stephen for a single card worth $750. This may be a single, more liquid card. You are getting a fair trade (albeit on the lower end of the lots worth), but still a fair trade.

Then, Stephen trades that lot worth $700-$1,100 for a single card (or group of liquid cards) worth ~$1,000. He is still making a fair trade. Then Stephen trades his card worth $1,000 for a lot of cards worth $900-$1,500. Still a fair trade. Repeat this process 15-20 times.

No charity, all fair trades and no one is being asked to take a loss. It's a lot of work for Stephen, a ton of fun to watch and even more fun to participate in the trading. Sit back and enjoy my friend, we are all card collectors here.
Jason

[rats60]

Originally Posted by jhs5120

Imagine you have a lot worth $700-$1,100. This may be a high grade common, a mixed lot of random cards or an obscure issue. You trade that lot to Stephen for a single card worth $750. This may be a single, more liquid card. You are getting a fair trade (albeit on the lower end of the lots worth), but still a fair trade.

Then, Stephen trades that lot worth $700-$1,100 for a single card (or group of liquid cards) worth ~$1,000. He is still making a fair trade. Then Stephen trades his card worth $1,000 for a lot of cards worth $900-$1,500. Still a fair trade. Repeat this process 15-20 times.

No charity, all fair trades and no one is being asked to take a loss. It's a lot of work for Stephen, a ton of fun to watch and even more fun to participate in the trading. Sit back and enjoy my friend, we are all card collectors here.
Jason

How is it a fair trade if he is asking for more value than you get back? That is his first condition of trading with him.

[EYECOLLECTVINTAGE]

It's funny that people can't get the world old concept of trading. When a accountant does a landscapers taxes in return for lawn work, do they sit down and analyze "well I usually charge $3,000 a year for taxes, and you charge $2200 for lawns, so just give me $800 cash and we will call it even". No. Both parties win. The accountant usually charges 3K, however is not paying a penny out of his pocket for his lawn, so it's a clear win for him. While the landscaper is winning, he is still doing all the manual labor which is harder than accounting. In this case I am the landscaper. I am making off on the deal money wise, but people who are trading with me could care less because they are getting what they need. I then must put in the leg work and labor of selling the harder to sell cards.

The fact that I had to waste 10 minutes writing this is what annoys me. It's so obvious. It's trading. I said it once and I'll say it a million times.... A trade doesn't have to be fair if it makes sense.

[PhillipAbbott79]

Originally Posted by EYECOLLECTVINTAGE

It's funny that people can't get the world old concept of trading. When a accountant does a landscapers taxes in return for lawn work, do they sit down and analyze "well I usually charge $3,000 a year for taxes, and you charge $2200 for lawns, so just give me $800 cash and we will call it even". No. Both parties win. The accountant usually charges 3K, however is not paying a penny out of his pocket for his lawn, so it's a clear win for him. While the landscaper is winning, he is still doing all the manual labor which is harder than accounting. In this case I am the landscaper. I am making off on the deal money wise, but people who are trading with me could care less because they are getting what they need. I then must put in the leg work and labor of selling the harder to sell cards.

The fact that I had to waste 10 minutes writing this is what annoys me. It's so obvious. It's trading. I said it once and I'll say it a million times.... A trade doesn't have to be fair if it makes sense.

Your analogy works for trading dissimilar items. Let's take a look at trading work. Bob and Joe are both plumbers who own their own business. Bob helps Joe out for 8 hours, Joe pays him 200 dollars for his time. Joe is asked to help Bob out for 8 hours and only gets 150 dollars for his time. Would they both consider that fair trade?

You are trading a baseball card, for many baseball cards. Ok. There is time, money, energy, liquidity, etc. Everybody understands that. However, you also would trade, 1 for 1, if the values were dissimilar. Generally also, not really an issue, for people that are not concerned about dollar value.

There are people here, that do care about dollar value, and those are the people that you are on here arguing with.

Their point is something like this: Examine both of these statements:
I really need a truck so I can make a living. I have no idea what it is worth, but that doesn't matter. I have a really great computer I would trade someone for a truck.

vs

I can't afford a truck that I really want because it is to expensive. Will you trade me your truck for my computer?

Your first inclination is to ask, what is the computer worth in both scenarios, but one emphasizes the money aspect, rather than the trade benefit aspect.

The problem is not what you are doing. It is how you went about presenting it, regardless of how sincere and innocent you thought you were being about it, and where you posted it at IMO.

For the record, I don't care either way. I am simply pointing out the sides of the equation.

[MCoxon]

You've got a PHD dissertation here. Somewhere between economics and sociology.

Keep the thread, records of the trades and transaction prices, records of differing opinions about the fairness of "trades", the liquidity of cards, ranges of value, etc.

This is a gold mine for both real behaviors on trading in collectibles, as well as a gold mine for opinions and attitudes about trade, social fairness, and paternalism in 2017.

[irv]

Originally Posted by rats60

Isn't the whole point of this thread that you have to take a loss to trade with him? So, everyone who trades with him is taking a loss to help him out.

If you had a dupe and it was a tough sell getting the money it once sold for but then seen a card you have coveted for a while and Stephen was interested in your trade, would you not go for it?

Like someone also mentioned, if you had $1000 in mulch that you couldn’t get rid of, would you not trade that for a $800 in gold?

Some will not of course, and that is their choice, but others will as they are tired of either trying to sell the card(s) they own or they see one Stephen has that they want more.

I currently need quite a few 52 Topps cards and if I had some dupes, that, cumulatively, were worth more than a card I have coveted for a while, then I more than likely would do that trade.

[rats60]

Originally Posted by irv

If you had a dupe and it was a tough sell getting the money it once sold for but then seen a card you have coveted for a while and Stephen was interested in your trade, would you not go for it?

Like someone also mentioned, if you had $1000 in mulch that you couldn’t get rid of, would you not trade that for a $800 in gold?

Some will not of course, and that is their choice, but others will as they are tired of either trying to sell the card(s) they own or they see one Stephen has that they want more.

I currently need quite a few 52 Topps cards and if I had some dupes, that, cumulatively, were worth more than a card I have coveted for a while, then I more than likely would do that trade.

I understand someone willing to take a loss to make a trade, but they still aren't getting a fair trade. When the 76ers traded Wilt Chamberlain to the Lakers or the Bucks traded Kareem Abdul Jabbar to the Lakers, did they get fair trades? No, they wanted to move the players so they took less than fair market value to do so.