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Ya'll need to make up your mind, one side says WAR overrates defense and says Andruw Jones isn't a HOF'er then the other says it underrates defense and claims Simmons isn't. According to the number, without you assigning arbitrary, biased values to it, both are HOF'ers.
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Of the all-time top 80 players ranked by WAR, who is not a member of the Hall of Fame?
Answer: Barry Bonds Roger Clemens Albert Pujols Adrian Beltre Chipper Jones Mike Mussina Curt Schillling Pete Rose and... Lou Whitaker. Of the top 16 second basemen ranked by WAR, there are 3 players NOT in the Hall. They are Bobby Grich, Robinson Cano, and...Lou Whitaker Among 2nd basemen, he's ranked 7th in games played, 14th in JAWS (ahead of Alomar, Biggio, Doerr, Fox), 10th in home runs, 5th in walks, 4th in double plays turned, 11th in putouts, 18th in range factor (ahead of Morgan and Sandberg, Kent, and Cano), and 6th in assists. 1978 Rookie of the year, 3 gold gloves, 4 time silver slugger, 5 time all-star And he's not even on the damn ballot! |
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Whitaker should be in, I wonder if the committee is still too beholden to offensive numbers to notice his stellar defense at 2b.
9th in fWAR all time for 2b. If you are top 10 at your position WAR you should be in the HOF.
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These are the players that I feel are no brainer Hall Of Famers Ted Simmons Bobby Grich Dick Allen Ken Boyer Dwight Evans These are the others from the list that I would vote for Dave Stieb Keith Hernandez Lou Whitaker Graig Nettles Alan Trammell Reggie Smith Tom C |
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Same for Munson and Freehan. As elite defensive catchers, I have them above a below average catcher who brought slightly better offense but only 18% above average and 2-6% better than those great defensive catchers. |
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That said, I do believe Freehan is a HOFer and am willing to listen on Munson. Tom C |
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Simmons had a peak on par with other second-tier Hall of Fame catchers, and had some of the best career stats of any of them. I'm not saying the guy is a slam dunk inductee, but I think he definitely deserved better than the 3.7% of the vote he received in 1994.
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