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Old 10-21-2008, 06:55 PM
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Posted By: Dan Bretta

#1 - Photobucket

#2 - Photobucket


This is the Oxford, Nebraska Indians - a fake traveling Indian squad formed by Buck Beltzer to compete with the Nebraska Indians. They were not nearly as popular as the Nebraska Indians team because, well....they weren't really indians. Beltzer and his brother would later buy the Nebraska Indians team from Guy Green.
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Old 10-22-2008, 12:48 AM
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Posted By: Mark

"Holy Grail" Category:
A nice condition Duckweb Glove example. Few and far between... these simply never turn up.

"Attainable someday, but not anytime soon" Category:
The Spalding Fielder Trophy currently in Lelands... I know it's rapidly going to escape my current budget.

"Something I may be able to afford this year (if I don't eat out)" Category:
The Old Gold Tri-Paneled Ad Sign currently in Hunt's Auction (lot #523). I like the Wilson Ad Piece (lot #524) equally, but Hunts' estimate scared me away from even an absentee bid.

"False Hope" Category:
The Phillies Sweater in Huggins & Scott. I shouldn't even be writing this, as I don't want to draw attention to it - but the current bid is only a fraction of what this gorgeous piece is worth. Perhaps it's gone up by now... haven't checked it since Monday afternoon.

"Realistic" Category:
Neat Baseball Figural Clock, or 1939 Reds Champs Pennant (both in Hunt's)

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Old 10-22-2008, 09:14 AM
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Posted By: Max Weder

Holy Grail

A dust jacket for Frank Chance's Bride and the Pennant.



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Old 10-22-2008, 09:56 AM
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Posted By: Brock G.

I'll use a similair format to what Mark used-

Holy Grails- 19th c. Mueller baseball clock / Rock-ola arcade game

Attainable someday but currenty too high for my college kid budget- Babe Ruth Abbotwares desk clock

Attainable but waiting for the right one at the right time- Mantle/Maris Stellar radio

And a few others I'm wishing for(realisticly):
Baseball pitcher andiron
19th C. baseball belt
1930s Home Run King mechanical toy

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Old 10-22-2008, 09:59 AM
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I might stop this madness if I found one in good condition

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Old 10-22-2008, 10:02 AM
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Posted By: Greg Theberge

There are many that are on the list that I will NEVER be able to afford, but I might be able to manage the following:

Red Sox Whiskey Bottle
1912 Boston WS Scorebook
1912 Boston WS Press Pin

Of course, there are many many others...

Great question!

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Old 10-22-2008, 10:14 AM
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Holy Grail: 1961 Minnesota Vikings Large PROMO Nodder.

Attainable but tough to find: Small Minnesota Vikings Kail down lineman and the 1965 Real Face Minnesota Vikings nodder.

Wishing For: Photo Buttons of Minnesota Twins and Vikings players such as these.

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Old 10-22-2008, 11:21 AM
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Posted By: Mark

Brock...

Totally agree... the Mueller Clock and Rock-Ola Arcade Machine are holy grails of the first order! Of course there are too many holy grails to list, but those two would rank waaaay up there for me as well.

If you are ever at the Cliff House Restaurant in SF, check out the old Arcade Museum in the back. They actually have a Rock-Ola Machine that you can play an unlimited number of times. Considering its value, I am surprised they let so many people handle it.

They have many other killer items as well, including a frightening "Laughing Sal" animated mannequin (that scared the crap out of me as a kid). It was a fixture at the old Playland Amusement Park, which was dismantled in the '60s.

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Posted By: brock

Babe ruth and Lou Gehrig autograph.

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Old 10-22-2008, 12:24 PM
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Posted By: Brock G.

Mark,
That is quite surprising that they will let just anyone use it. I dont know if my heart could take actually seeing and using the thing and not being able to take it home with me. You wouldn't happen to have the security alarm code or a key to the back door of this restaurant would ya? There is a corner in the living room that really needs something and the Rock-ola game would go nicely.

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Posted By: Evan

Lloyd Waner and Satchel Paige signed perez steele postcards. Would be great to complete the set

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Posted By: Mark Steinberg

Brock:
Here's the link to the Museum that has the Rock-Ola Arcade Game. Apparently, they have now moved to Pier 45 in SF (where I'm sure you can still play it). The Rock-Ola does not even garner a mention on the website, but I did read that the owner loves to trade. Better start preparing an offer for him, as I am not sure he knows the value of what he has. If you don't make an offer, then I will!

http://www.museemechanique.org/index.html


Here's a picture of the old museum (from a different website). The Rock-Ola machine just missed getting in the shot. They have other spectacular arcade games, as well...

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Posted By: Mark Steinberg

I thought it would be polite to provide a picture of what Brock and I are yacking about. Here's the fabulous Rock-Ola 1937 World Series Machine...



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Posted By: Alan O'Connor

Here's a short Holy Grail list from Sacramento:
--1880s & 1890s Sacramento baseball programs
--Sacramento Solons jerseys
--A Tony Freitas game used bat
It is great to dream!

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Posted By: Brock G.

Thanks for posting the link and the pics Mark. I was about to search for a good photo to post but you beat me to it.
Seems like a really cool place. I love those old coin-operated games and slot machines. There are some really great looking baseball versions but the Rock-ola takes the cake.

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Posted By: Mike H

This is soooo fun yet difficult.

Holy Grails.
-1917 White Sox World Series Jersey (if you havn't seen one...incredible!)
-The oversized Cubs Pennant I have only seen in the collection of our own Mark Steinberg. (I'm working out and taking Zocor simply so I can outlive him...ha ha).

Stretch goal.
-Joe Jackson decal bat ( 90% of decal in tact)
-Ruth single signed ball

Attainable.
-Any other oversized teens Cubs pennant
-Spalding Catcher or 1st baseman
-Honus Wagner store model bat (I'm close to closing a deal for this one)

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Mark,

I've seen that Rock-ola game on Pier 45. I work in San Francisco and go down there from time to time when I have visitors in town. Are you in the Bay Area? It seems like there are few of us vintage collectors here in the Bay Area compared to the New York/New Jersey area where I grew up.

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Posted By: Clint

I'd like to find a couple things.

1) Photo or postcard of a baseball team from Nicodemus Kansas.
2) Any 1913 Blue Rapids Kansas World Tour postcards or memorabilia.
3) Spalding ring bat with the white label and black rings.
4) Babe Ruth chalk statue of him leaning on bat.

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David...

I was born in S.F. but moved away as a child. I live near Seattle now, but still get down to the Bay area quite frequently for work. Plus, it's my favorite city on the West Coast to visit.

The last time I saw the Rock-Ola was at the Cliff House. What a cool view out to the Ocean, with the historic Sutro Baths. Almost looks like archaic ruins from Athens or ancient Rome...

But you're right... not as many collectors on the West Coast. If so, they should come out of the closet now(sorry... bad S.F. reference) I do wish there were more collectors and shows out this way!

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Posted By: Dan Bretta

Okay I have to know, why Nicodemus, KS Clint?

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They used to have a Rock-Ola in the arcade on Main Street in Disney World. It was there in 1982 when I visited as a kid and I played it a number of times. I think that they let people play the game since they don't break often, and when they do, they are pretty easy to fix. The mechanical aspects of the game are relatively simple.

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Posted By: Brock G.

"If so, they should come out of the closet now(sorry... bad S.F. reference)"
Nicely done Mark. Made me laugh
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Allen & Ginter Posters1887-1889
E&J Burke Ale 1890
Round Album Poster 1888
Old Judge Posters1887-88
Spalding Australian Tour1884
Tuxedo Tobacco1912 Except: McGraw
Cracker Jack1915



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please; write in confidence to: bdorskind@dorskindgroup.com

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Posted By: Keith

Here is my Eagles wantlist.

Holy Grails:
A Philadelphia Eagles large Promo Nodder.
A Frankford Yellowjackets Pennant
A Phila-Pitt Steagles Pennant - if one even exists, I've never seen one, but have seen the following year merged Steelers-Cardinals pennant

Other Wanted items:
A 1944 Eagles Pennant - has the names of the roster listed
Frankford Yellowjackets Pin
Eagles Black Faced Nodder - the only nodders I need are the black faced square base and toes up.
Circa 1970-1972 Eagles game jersey

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Posted By: Jake Dahl

66-67 topps bobby orr rookie

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Posted By: Clint

Dan, Nicodemus was an all black town settled after the Civil War by former slaves. I don't know if they ever had a team or not but if they did a photo would be very rare. The town is still in existence and really any early photo from there would be a prize.

Clint

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Posted By: Dan Bretta

Interesting. Have you ever tried to contact the library or chamber of commerce there to see if they have a photo collection?

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Dan, I just googled a little bit and found this history article and it states that they did have a baseball team.

http://www.legendsofamerica.com/OZ-Nicodemus.html

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Posted By: Dan Bretta

Hey! There's hope then...how sweet would a nice imperial cabinet photo from around 1888 be?

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Posted By: Clint

Dan, that would be the #1 highlight or grail to my collection for sure. My big train avatar might go bye bye.

Clint

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Posted By: Matthew S. Moore

I'd love to locate a team photo of the 1902 Cincinnati Red Stockings. No one I've talked to knows of one.

And a manual-alphabet card autographed by "Dummy" Taylor on the blank side—he used to give these away to fans, and they seem to be fantastically rare.

Does anyone have "Dummy" Hoy game cards—WG1 or E.R. Williams? I'm looking for high-quality images, as the originals are likely unaffordable.

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Posted By: Mark

I'd like to get a George Grantham pro model bat, an Earl S Smith, and, finally a Pie Traynor.

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Posted By: Mark

Since Rob made his wants known in such a visual manner, I thought I would give everyone a chance to see the one on Mike's want-list, too. Here's the pennant Mike referred to (18 posts above...)

You guys don't need to take Zocor or workout, in order to out-live me. My metabolism has slowed to a halt, and I'm now buying a new pair of "fat pants" every 3 months. I moved to Seattle, because In & Out Burger isn't here yet. Plus, the stress of my daughter's driving has done irreversible damage to my heart. So these things will be yours before you know it...






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Posted By: Mike H

I'm in the fetal position sucking my thumb looking at that pennant!!!
Here is a pennant that puts Mark in the fetal position...no...it isn't mine...yet!

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Posted By: Greg Theberge

Mark and Mike..

Wow, gorgeous pennants

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Posted By: Mark

Mike's right... should have thought to put that one as my holy grail... top of the list for sure!

Mitchell & Ness actually had the nerve to make a repro of that particular one. It looks pretty faithful to the original (on my computer monitor, at least). I may have to go for the repro if no real ones turn up within the next 20 years or so.

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Posted By: Greg Theberge

Does anyone know how many of these pre-war pennants actually exist out there in terms of variations and numbers surviving of each example? I would imagine it would make for an incredible and vibrant reference book.

Greg

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Posted By: Mark

Greg... I am not sure if anyone really knows the answer as to how many of these still exist. It isn't many, based on the frequency of Catalogue Auctions and Ebay making these Oversized ones available. Even Halper (with his vast array of memorabilia) had less than 5 in his collection.

A reference book for pennants would be a terrific endeavor... I wish one was available. I have had visions of putting one together, but always think of Kramer on Seinfeld (doing a Coffee Table Book about Coffee Tables). It would make for a very stunning and visual book, but how many people would really be interested (or buy it?)

Perhaps a more realistic venture would be a book similar to Smithsonian Baseball... but with a Chapter for Pennants, one for Figural Pieces, one for Vintage Equipment, one for Advertising Pieces, one for Vintage Games, etc.

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Posted By: Greg Theberge

Mark,

Doing a book is a big job, especially if you have to talk to a publisher to publish it. Sometimes it could cost a lot of cash out of hand.

On the other hand, sometimes a publisher will do it without it costing anything. We co-published a book about seven years ago call New England Breweriana by Schiffer books. Full color, gorgeous book. On amazon, ebay, all the time. They did all the photography and the layout.
But, like you said, there may not be enough pennants out there to fill a whole book.

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Posted By: Mike H

Kramer (I mean Mark), I think you would be surprised how many people would buy any book involving baseball memorabilia. I'm going to start a thread on it RIGHT NOW!

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Posted By: Clint

Mark VL, Mears has an Earl Smith bat for sale on their site.

http://www.mearsonline.com/forsale/item/?id=4271

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