Reporting the discovery of two new T206 DRUM cards

[tedzan]

A recent T206 find in the St Louis area includes three DRUM cards....two of these DRUM's were heretofore unknown.

The new DRUM cards are Hayden and Schreck. The 3rd DRUM is LaPorte (only one was previously confirmed).

These 3 cards have been graded by SGC. The Hayden is an SGC 10, and Schreck is an SGC 10. This discovery raises
the total number of confirmed DRUM cards to 151 different subjects.

My updated list of DRUM cards will appear in the following post here.


TED Z
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[Pilot172000]

Awesome!!

[Beatles Guy]

I do find it interesting that there have been four new Drums to come out of the St. Louis area in less than a year, which includes Scott Tiek's (cardsfan73) find of Starr last year. It makes me want to scour the city looking for more.

[tedzan]

The DRUM cards depict players in the 350-only series and the 350/460 series. The DRUM cards were issued in the St Louis area (circa..Summer/Fall of 1910).






DRUM backs confirmed....total = 151 subjects


350-only subjects.................... 115 subjects

Abstein
Adkins
Arellanes
Armbruster
Atz
Barbeau
Jack Barry (A's)
Barry (Milwaukee)
Batch
Becker
Bescher (portrait)
Burke
Carr
Casey
Charles
Clark
Congalton
Davidson
Delehanty (Louisville)
Dessau

Dineen
Donovan (throwing)
Dorner
Downey (fielding)
Downs
Egan
Engle
Fiene (portrait)
Fiene (throwing)
Fletcher
Freeman
Gasper
Graham (Boston)
Hallman
Hartsel
Hayden
Hinchman (Toledo)
Hoblitzell
Hofman
Howell (portrait)

Huggins (hands at mouth)
Hunter
Jackson
Kelley
Killian (portrait)
Kisinger
Knabe
Knight (portrait)
Knight (bat)
Krause (portrait)
Krause (pitching)
Kroh
LaPorte
Lattimore
Lavender
Lennox
Livingstone
Maddox
Maloney
Marshall

McAleese
McBride
McGann
Milan
Mitchell (Cincinnati)
Mitchell (Toronto)
Moeller
Moran (Chicago)
Moran (Providence)
Moriarty
Mullen (portrait)
Murray (bat)
Myers (fielding)
Nattress
Oakes
Perring
Pfeister (seated)
Phelps
Phillippe
Pickering

Purtell
Quinn
Randall
Raymond
Rhoades (hands at chest)
Rhodes
Ritter
Rudolph
Schirm
Schlafly
Schmidt (portrait)
Schreck
Scott
Slagle
Smith (Buffalo)
Snodgrass (bat)
Speaker
Starr
Stephens
Strang

Street (portrait)
Summers
Sweeney (Boston)
Taylor
Thielman
Thomas
Titus
Unglaub
Warhop
Willett (bat)
Zimmerman


Super-Prints (350-only subjects)......4 subjects confirmed; and, 2 not yet confirmed

Chance (yellow portrait)
Chase (dark cap)
Cobb (red portrait)
Evers (Chicago-yellow sky)

Chase (blue portrait)...................... not yet
Mathewson (dark cap) ................... not yet


350/460 subjects..........................36 cards

Baker
Bender (no trees)
Burch (fielding)
Conroy (bat)
Crawford (bat)
Doolan (bat)
Downey (bat)
Doyle (bat)
Elberfeld (Washington-fielding)
Griffith (bat)
Jennings (two hands)
Johnson (pitching)
Jordan (bat)
Konetchy (glove low)
Lake (St Louis-no ball)
Leifield (bat)
Magee (bat)
Manning (pitching)
McQuillan (bat)
Murphy (bat)

Nichols (bat)
Overall (yellow sky)
Pelty (vertical)
Pfeister (throwing)
Reulbach (no glove)
Rucker (throwing)
Seymour (throwing)
Stahl (glove)
Steinfeldt (bat)
Street (catching)
Sweeney (New York)
Wagner (bat on right shoulder)
Wilhelm (bat)
Willetts
Willis (bat)
Wiltse (pitching)



TED Z
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[atx840]

Very nice Ted, any scans?

[petecld]

Shameless plug…

Both cards to be available in the Heritage Platinum Night Auction in August 2016.

Peter

[tedzan]

Originally Posted by atx840

Very nice Ted, any scans?

Hi Chris

I have scans of these three cards, prior to them being graded.

Currently, I'm having technical problem. I'll try to get them posted when it's corrected.


TED Z
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[Pilot172000]

Originally Posted by petecld

Shameless plug…

Both cards to be available in the Heritage Platinum Night Auction in August 2016.

Peter

Not shameless!!! Informative!

[Jobu]

Nice Ted, thanks for posting.

[bobfreedman]

Peter, is heritage running a live auction at the Nationals?

[tedzan]

Originally Posted by Beatles Guy

I do find it interesting that there have been four new Drums to come out of the St. Louis area in less than a year, which includes Scott Tiek's (cardsfan73) find of Starr last year. It makes me want to scour the city looking for more.

Hi Jason

Approx. 6 years ago, Ron Oser was contacted by a St Louis resident who had a T205/T206 find which included 51 - DRUM cards.

T206 DRUM's = 43 cards

T205 DRUM's = 8 cards


Is this a fantastic find....or, what ?


TED Z
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[Beatles Guy]

Originally Posted by tedzan

Hi Jason

Approx. 6 years ago, Ron Oser was contacted by a St Louis resident who had a T205/T206 find which included 51 - DRUM cards.

T206 DRUM's = 43 cards

T205 DRUM's = 8 cards


Is this a fantastic find....or, what ?


TED Z
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Very impressive Ted. I never knew that St. Louis was a hot bed for Drums. It still floors me that Scott found his not two miles from where I sit, at an antique store that I have been in numerous times. I was very happy for him, and admittedly, a little jealous

[btcarfagno]

Is there any list of names that are believed to exist with Drum backs but have not yet been found?

Tom C

[Joshchisox08]

Originally Posted by tedzan

Hi Jason

Approx. 6 years ago, Ron Oser was contacted by a St Louis resident who had a T205/T206 find which included 51 - DRUM cards.

T206 DRUM's = 43 cards

T205 DRUM's = 8 cards


Is this a fantastic find....or, what ?


TED Z
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So what you're saying is to go to St. Louis

[petecld]

Yes, we are going to have a summer auction but it will not be a Live auction. The ending format will be the 30-minute clock just like our Spring and Fall catalog auctions.

[Pat R]

Originally Posted by btcarfagno

Is there any list of names that are believed to exist with Drum backs but have not yet been found?

Tom C

http://t206resource.com/Drum%20350%20Checklist.html

They know about the Hayden and Schreck but just haven't updated the
list yet.

[Webster]

That T206 resource shows the Chase Blue Portrait and Matty Dark Cap as confirmed...are they?

[tedzan]

Originally Posted by Webster

That T206 resource shows the Chase Blue Portrait and Matty Dark Cap as confirmed...are they?

T206 resource also shows Ames (hands over head) with AMERICAN BEAUTY 460 and UZIT backs.....and, these front/back combos do not exist.



In 35 years that I have been collecting T206's, I have never seen (or heard of) the Blue Chase with a DRUM back. And, I'm constantly searching for blue Chase cards.

........v




I could say the same for Matty (dark cap). Perhaps some one else will chime in here with scans of these cards.

These 2 guys with DRUM backs are theoretically possible; and, as this thread shows....DRUM cards continue to "come out of the woodwork ". So, they may yet be discovered.


TED Z
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[Pat R]

We all make mistakes, with the amount of information provided it would be
pretty close to impossible not to have a couple of errors. I had a Cycle 460
that was unconfirmed a few years ago and Tim asked me for front and back
scans before he would add it to the confirmed list. The Ames has been on the
confirmed list for a long time so it could be a data entry error or an error from
mis-information before they started requesting scans of the card before they would
confirm a combo.

[tedzan]

Double post.

[tedzan]

Originally Posted by btcarfagno

Is there any list of names that are believed to exist with Drum backs but have not yet been found?

Tom C

Here you go, Tom

Theoretical DRUM cards from the 350-only series yet to be found (75 subjects)

Abbott
Anderson
Arndt
Beck
Beckley
Bender (trees)
Blackburne
Bliss
Brain
Brashear
Bresnahan (bat)
Burchell
Burns
Bush
Butler
Campbell
Carrigan
Cassidy
Chappelle
Chase (portrait-blue)

Clancy
Clymer
Collins (A's)
Cravath
Cree
Doolan (fielding)
Dubuc
Dunn (Baltimore)
Dunn (Brooklyn)
Dygert
Easterly
Ferguson
Flanagan
Fromme
Ganzel
Graham (St Louis)
Grimshaw
Hall
Hannifan
Hoffman (Providence)

Hoffman (St Louis)
Howard (Chicago)
Huggins (portrait)
Hulswitt
Jones (Detroit)
Kruger
Lord
Malarkey
Marquard (portrait)
Mathewson (dark cap)
McCormick
Mc Elveen
McGinley
McGinnity
McGlynn
McIntyre (Detroit)
Merritt
Miller (Pittsburg)
Milligan
Myers (bat)

Oberlin
O'Brien
O'Neill
Paskert
Phelan
Poland
Quillen
Sharpe
Shaw (Providence)
Stanage
J. Tannehill (Washington)
White (Buffalo)
Wilson
Wright
Irv Young


The above list is based on my A-B-C-D theory (posted in 2008) that these four T206 brands were printed simultaneously with 190 subjects in the 350-only series.
http://www.net54baseball.com/showthr...eaf-cycle-drum

AMERICAN BEAUTY 350 and CYCLE 350 brands have indeed met this criteria. BROAD LEAF 350 and DRUM are still a work in progress.







Furthermore......one DRUM card from the 350/460 series remains to be found......

Mullin (bat)


TED Z
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[tedzan]

Originally Posted by atx840

Very nice Ted, any scans?

Back in April, I received a call from an old friend in the St Louis area, who informed me of the find of these three DRUM's. He asked me to stay silent about these cards
while the finder shopped them around. Now, that these cards have been consigned to Heritage, I decided to post this thread.

So, here is the scan of Ossee Schreck. Scans of the other two DRUM's will be posted soon.

[tedzan]

Scans of Hayden / DRUM card (the 2nd new DRUM). This card has been graded SGC 10. The LaPorte / DRUM card scans will follow.

[atx840]

Thanks for posting Ted.

[tedzan]

Scans of La Porte / DRUM card......this card has been graded SGC 20.

There is also a PSA 3 graded DRUM card of La Porte.

[Pat R]

The backs of all three look off center the same amount top to bottom and
left to right, maybe they came from the same sheet.

[tedzan]

Hey Pat

I think you have the beginning of a new project here with your observation regarding these three DRUM cards.

Conceivably, you could figure out the composition of a given DRUM sheet by checking-out all the known DRUM
cards with these exact off-center backs.

It's a highly probable undertaking, as most DRUM cards are unique (or only 2 examples are known of each).


TED Z
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