Update: What would you do...

[T_Hamilton]

So, looks like I purchased a card that was submitted to PSA by Gary Moser and then sold to me through PWCC. The card in question is

42885921 1912 T227 Series Of Champions Ty Cobb PSA 1.5 FR (PWCC) 4/9/2019 ebay item: 401739877633

Curious as to what you would do if you owned this card? ask for a full refund? keep the card?

Any help is appreciated.

Thank you!

[Fballguy]

I'd return...Hard to see how any card with that lineage holds its value.

[jp1216]

Link:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/401739877633

[packs]

I'd keep it. Looks accurately graded assuming it's not altered and has nice eye appeal for the grade.

[obcmac]

Originally Posted by packs

assuming it's not altered

Huh? Did he buy this one and not alter it. That would be interesting.

[T_Hamilton]

It displays very nice for a 1.5 grade. I think the altering could have been soaking perhaps.

I am so bamboozled on what to do with the card... and so angry that someone has ruined the hobby i love.

[packs]

Originally Posted by obcmac

Huh? Did he buy this one and not alter it. That would be interesting.

I guess I should have said trimmed and not altered. Not really seeing an issue with a possible soak. How many times have members posted threads on the board asking for help on how to soak?

[T206Collector]

Originally Posted by packs

I guess I should have said trimmed and not altered. Not really seeing an issue with a possible soak. How many times have members posted threads on the board asking for help on how to soak?

He apparently uses a chemical bath -- not water -- and it affects the integrity of the cardboard and often seems to lighten the ink on the back. Would be nice to see the before, but I'm sure the guys over at BO would've found it when they were able to find the other two. Maybe it's still on its way...

[Bram99]

Originally Posted by packs

I'd keep it. Looks accurately graded assuming it's not altered and has nice eye appeal for the grade.

Also to be considered: if it really has the Moser provenance and is not altered, doesn't that raise the scarcity to new levels? Could this be a 1 of 1 un-altered Moser T227 Cobb. If all other examples are proven to be altered or conserved, then this one could really be a unique item.

Maybe PSA would assign this a "Pedigree flip" like the Lionel Carter Collection ones, but this one could say "Gary Moser Un-altered".

[Peter_Spaeth]

Between how short the 3 is and the fact SGC only gave it an A, I would look to review it if you can't return it. And I would look to SGC. The problem with PSA review is that if they missed something once it's likely to happen twice, and they have financial incentive to bless it again.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by jp1216

Link:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/401739877633

That is a great looking card I doubt has been tampered with from the scan. They would have cleaned up the creases if it was messed with, imo. Of course, I would have a double good look at it and put it under a blacklight and loupe too. The corners still look a little frayed too (a good thing nowadays). It's a keeper if you ask me.
Also, you would need a before picture, I think, to know if it has been messed with. The stain removals on cards don't upset me as much as the other things, but that is just me. And many, if not most vintage collectors, don't consider soaking in water to be a nefarious act. It should be counted off as anything else but to me, it wouldn't mean a non-numeric grade.

I should also add, if it will make the OP always nervous, then it is an easy decision to sell it.

[T206Collector]

Originally Posted by Leon

That is a great looking card I doubt has been tampered with from the scan.

Moser loves the T227 Cobb. There are two other T227 Cobbs that have already been outed as tampered with:

https://www.blowoutforums.com/showpo...postcount=1642

https://www.blowoutforums.com/showpo...postcount=2408

I am sure it has been cleaned, and given the amount of text fading on the reverse, not likely with water. The creases have also been pressed to make the card not look so rough. Soaked, cleaned and pressed. No doubt.

[perezfan]

Agree with T206 Collector...

Though it appears nice for the grade, odds are it has had some problems "lessened" by means of alteration. Does not looked trimmed, but may have had some color added. Near-impossible to tell without having it in-hand.

For your own peace of mind, I'd suggest returning it. You'll probably NEVER be at peace with the card now, and will look more at the treated flaws than the card itself.

What a shame.

[steve B]

I believe this is the before.

The scan here is overly bright, but the creases don't look much different.

Maybe just moved from SGC to PSA?

I'd save the scans/auctions, print them and keep them with the card. If any work has been done, it wasn't much.

http://www.milehighcardco.com/1912_M...-LOT60474.aspx