Opinion on Mantle Inscription

[thetruthisoutthere]

Originally Posted by Michael Frost

Does this mean you are running away from the bet you were talking about???
By the way do you feel that the same person or people that signed the Mickey Mantle / Billy Martin photo you posted also signed this these ones or are these ones authentic?

http://www.net54baseball.com/attachm...1&d=1382505353


http://www.net54baseball.com/attachm...1&d=1382505055

Those are awful, too.

[thetruthisoutthere]

Michael, I was wondering, in what capacity were you "Employed by the US Government?"

http://www.paasautographs.com/credentials.html

[thetruthisoutthere]

Originally Posted by thetruthisoutthere

Michael, I was wondering, in what capacity were you "Employed by the US Government?"

http://www.paasautographs.com/credentials.html

I'd be happy to answer your question, Michael; after you answer my above question.

Do you have a 1099 you can show us?

[Michael Frost]

Originally Posted by thetruthisoutthere

Those are awful, too.

The charity that I endorse and work with is the St. Jude Children’s Research Hospital. I think it would be nice if Shelly just sends his $1000 directly to them.
Thank you,
Michael Frost
P.A.A.S.

[joed25]

Originally Posted by Michael Frost

The charity that I endorse and work with is the St. Jude Children’s Research Hospital. I think it would be nice if Shelly just sends his $1000 directly to them.
Thank you,
Michael Frost
P.A.A.S.
http://www.net54baseball.com/attachm...1&d=1382570972
http://www.net54baseball.com/newatta...anageattach&p=
http://www.net54baseball.com/newatta...anageattach&p=
http://www.net54baseball.com/newatta...anageattach&p=

Do you have a scan of the original COA from PSA? That looks like a copy of one. Very possible someone took the original, made a copy of it and put a photo of their fake Mantle Autograph in the place of the real one on the PSA letter. I'v seen that happen before on eBay. Do you have a scan of that photo with the PSA sticker? The photo you posted is obviously diff than the one on the COA.

[chaddurbin]

Originally Posted by joed25

Do you have a scan of the original COA from PSA? That looks like a copy of one. Very possible someone took the original, made a copy of it and put a photo of their fake Mantle Autograph in the place of the real one on the PSA letter. I'v seen that happen before on eBay. Do you have a scan of that photo with the PSA sticker? The photo you posted is obviously diff than the one on the COA.

yes very weird. the photo in the COA is totally different than the photo shown.

[kengoldin]

I stand by my original comment on the photo. Having had both players under contract, having seen thousands of each of their signatures that I KNOW are good, My opinion (and I use the word opinion only because I have to, but to me its a fact) is on that particular photo, the one that I commented on (the only one I commented on) was never held or signed by EITHER Mantle or Martin.
I will not reply to additional 'what do you think of this' posted in this thread. I just wanted to point out that despite posts above, I stand by what I said, and I am highly confident that in 2013 if presented to PSA/DNA it would not pass their authentication.

[shelly]

Originally Posted by kengoldin

I stand by my original comment on the photo. Having had both players under contract, having seen thousands of each of their signatures that I KNOW are good, My opinion (and I use the word opinion only because I have to, but to me its a fact) is on that particular photo, the one that I commented on (the only one I commented on) was never held or signed by EITHER Mantle or Martin.
I will not reply to additional 'what do you think of this' posted in this thread. I just wanted to point out that despite posts above, I stand by what I said, and I am highly confident that in 2013 if presented to PSA/DNA it would not pass their authentication.

Ken, I am so sure your are correct that I have offered to bet anyone that it would not pass quick opinion. No takers so far. I am still waiting for the world renowned authenticator to step up and agree to the bet.

[Michael Frost]

Originally Posted by chaddurbin

yes very weird. the photo in the COA is totally different than the photo shown.

These are 2 different images, the COA Letter is for the photograph that is shown on the letter and the other just the sticker and number is shown. the both of the images shown have been examined and authenticatted by both Grad and Spence as ( Shelly said I guess before they know what they were doing)? Both can be looked up on the PSA/DNA database and there are more but that is not what this is all about.
If you are interested or would like to see some additional photographs please contact me at www.paasaa.com
Thanks
Mike Frost

[chaddurbin]

gotcha, my bad...the consensus is they're both bad and were certed by psa/dna.

[shelly]

My bet was that the item that had your cert was bad. You then produce a Psa cert that made people belive it was authentic. I bet you it was not. Now you are saying I am correct. Not only that you knew they where bad all the time.
Please explain why you then sold the item under your cert with the psa wording. Or is this another forged cert.
You work for the government under cover. You have said in the same thread that Chris is great and Chris is terrible. You say you work for Topps .You say you are know the world around as great authenticator. The only thing you will be remembered for on this site is that you are the Walter Middy of 54
You owe the money. The bet was clear. In fact three people agreed that they where forgerys and you said nothing untill you knew you lost.
Just so everyone knows I sent it for quick opinon and here is what they said.


Response: "Likely Not Genuine"

Here are the details of your Request:

Comments:
Request ID: 100437
Request By: 10/25/2013

Thank you choosing the QuickOpinion service!

I feel bad that there are people like you that will always spin the arguement to try and make themselevs look good. You should go back to your friends at Autograph Planet. Oh I am sorry I forgot they threw you out of there.


Just to make another point. You want to bet how many people would trust me saying if a Mantle is authentic or not vs. you on this site?