Not again! This is why I have a problem with PWCC!! Sorry for the rant!

[Pat R]

I'll give you a couple of reasons why PWCC and Probstein have a lot of
followers and high % bidders.

In the last few weeks I got emails on two cards from different sellers
that my bids had been canceled and the item was
no longer available. One of sellers has been listing 10-15 singles every
few days so when he listed the next group I sent him a message stating
that I would like to bid on some of his cards but he had canceled my
bid on the last one I had bid on. He did get back to me and said that he
had received an offer that he couldn't refuse but he has a large group
of cards that he will be listing over the next few weeks and to feel free
to bid with confidence. Since then he has listed several cards that I
would have bid on.

Yesterday a seller listed a low grade T206 with a $32.99 BIN or BO
it's a $20-$25 card so I sent him a $22 offer that he flat declined.
If he had come back with a $25 or $26 offer I would have bought
the card. I just looked up the last sale of the card in the same grade
and coincidently it was a PWCC auction and it sold for $23.73.

If more than one example of a card I'm looking for is listed at the
same time and one is in a PWCC or Probstein action that's the
one I would be bidding on every time.

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by Pat R

I'll give you a couple of reasons why PWCC and Probstein have a lot of
followers and high % bidders.

In the last few weeks I got emails on two cards from different sellers
that my bids had been canceled and the item was
no longer available. One of sellers has been listing 10-15 singles every
few days so when he listed the next group I sent him a message stating
that I would like to bid on some of his cards but he had canceled my
bid on the last one I had bid on. He did get back to me and said that he
had received an offer that he couldn't refuse but he has a large group
of cards that he will be listing over the next few weeks and to feel free
to bid with confidence. Since then he has listed several cards that I
would have bid on.

Yesterday a seller listed a low grade T206 with a $32.99 BIN or BO
it's a $20-$25 card so I sent him a $22 offer that he flat declined.
If he had come back with a $25 or $26 offer I would have bought
the card. I just looked up the last sale of the card in the same grade
and coincidently it was a PWCC auction and it sold for $23.73.

If more than one example of a card I'm looking for is listed at the
same time and one is in a PWCC or Probstein action that's the
one I would be bidding on every time.

Couldn't agree more on the fact they do not cancel auctions to sell directly as being a huge plus. I know I had a seller on here do that to me and I will not buy or bid on their items ever again.

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

Originally Posted by bnorth

Couldn't agree more on the fact they do not cancel auctions to sell directly as being a huge plus. I know I had a seller on here do that to me and I will not buy or bid on their items ever again.

I am not the hater that some are, but we're setting the bar pretty low if the fact that they don't break one particular rule while, at the very least, being complicit in allowing others to be flouted, is enough to make them your exclusive ebay shopping destination. There are hundreds if not thousands of sellers, like myself, RobertW, Buythatcard, and many more that follow and enforce ALL the rules.

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by Aquarian Sports Cards

I am not the hater that some are, but we're setting the bar pretty low if the fact that they don't break one particular rule while, at the very least, being complicit in allowing others to be flouted, is enough to make them your exclusive ebay shopping destination. There are hundreds if not thousands of sellers, like myself, RobertW, Buythatcard, and many more that follow and enforce ALL the rules.

My post was more about the fact I trash those 2 sellers all the time. Figured I could at least give them props for doing one thing right. It is also something I feel very strongly about.

You are correct about there being great sellers on here and eBay. I do my best to do all my business with them. I know we(Scott/myself) have done one deal for sure and it was perfect.

[jfkheat]

I think that one of the main reasons PWCC and Probstein have so many bidders that have a high percent of bids with them is because they are one of the few eBay sellers that run true auctions. Most sellers either have high BIN listings or starting bids that are higher than the card is worth.
James

[bobbyw8469]

Originally Posted by Aquarian Sports Cards

I am not the hater that some are, but we're setting the bar pretty low if the fact that they don't break one particular rule while, at the very least, being complicit in allowing others to be flouted, is enough to make them your exclusive ebay shopping destination. There are hundreds if not thousands of sellers, like myself, RobertW, Buythatcard, and many more that follow and enforce ALL the rules.

I love this....I run .99 cent auctions as well.......but the mere fact that my EXACT same card sell for HUNDREDS more with them than it will with me is sickening. I always thought Ebay was supposed to level the playing field, as long as all other metrics were outstanding (ie, fast shipping time, great packaging, etc.).

[Leon]

Originally Posted by bobbyw8469

I love this....I run .99 cent auctions as well.......but the mere fact that my EXACT same card sell for HUNDREDS more with them than it will with me is sickening. I always thought Ebay was supposed to level the playing field, as long as all other metrics were outstanding (ie, fast shipping time, great packaging, etc.).

PWCC probably spends 100k+ on advertising a year. How much do you spend?
And no, I am not good with retractions, but as I look around on ebay, Probstein and PWCC are not any worse than many others. I think Ebay needs to forbid more than 1-2 retractions a year. That would stop a lot of the shenanigans....Just like auction houses have very strict rules against retractions, so should ebay.

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

Originally Posted by Leon

PWCC probably spends 100k+ on advertising a year. How much do you spend?
And no, I am not good with retractions, but as I look around on ebay, Probstein and PWCC are not any worse than many others. I think Ebay needs to forbid more than 1-2 retractions a year. That would stop a lot of the shenanigans....Just like auction houses have very strict rules against retractions, so should ebay.

I made the same point earlier. I don't begrudge them making more then me, there are some legitimate reasons for that along with the illegitimate ones. Frankly I don't measure my success against other companies or I'd just dig a hole, hop in, and pull the dirt in over me. I measure success against myself, or my standards. Why bother looking at their results if you know it's gonna tilt you?

As for retractions I've had some interesting legal discussions on here about them. If you accept a bid you legally HAVE to accept a retraction. However if someone has retracted bids in the past you are under no obligation to continue accepting their bids. This is in the UCC and is the law of the land nationwide. You cannot contract away your UCC rights either, so even if an auction house makes you sign something saying you can't retract a bid it is non-binding. The only thing they can legally do is refuse to accept your bid in the first place.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by Aquarian Sports Cards

I made the same point earlier. I don't begrudge them making more then me, there are some legitimate reasons for that along with the illegitimate ones. Frankly I don't measure my success against other companies or I'd just dig a hole, hop in, and pull the dirt in over me. I measure success against myself, or my standards. Why bother looking at their results if you know it's gonna tilt you?

As for retractions I've had some interesting legal discussions on here about them. If you accept a bid you legally HAVE to accept a retraction. However if someone has retracted bids in the past you are under no obligation to continue accepting their bids. This is in the UCC and is the law of the land nationwide. You cannot contract away your UCC rights either, so even if an auction house makes you sign something saying you can't retract a bid it is non-binding. The only thing they can legally do is refuse to accept your bid in the first place.

Sellers can't stop them from retracting but they can also block them. I didn't say NO retractions, I just said that after so many, you would booted. So, in my scenario, ebay IS allowing the retraction. Then if it is your second one in a year Ebay should suspend or ban the user. I see no issue with that. Two retractions is plenty in a year (and more than most honest ebayers have in 10-15 yrs).

[CrackaJackKid]

[QUOTE=Leon;1725111]PWCC probably spends 100k+ on advertising a year. How much do you spend?


So more Advertising leads to more eyes, more eyes lead to higher sales...
With technology the way it is today I don’t buy it. Past sales are readily available but yet a vast majority of bidders with them don’t abide by VCP cause they really want it and pay 20% over VCP....lol ok.

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by CrackaJackKid

So more Advertising leads to more eyes, more eyes lead to higher sales...
With technology the way it is today I don’t buy it. Past sales are readily available but yet a vast majority of bidders with them don’t abide by VCP cause they really want it and pay 20% over VCP....lol ok.

Maybe a lot of their customers buy from them exclusively? Maybe they aren't even looking other places for the same card for a better deal? In that case, VCP is irrelevant.

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

[QUOTE=CrackaJackKid;1725165]

Originally Posted by Leon

PWCC probably spends 100k+ on advertising a year. How much do you spend?


So more Advertising leads to more eyes, more eyes lead to higher sales...

With technology the way it is today I don’t buy it

You can refuse to "buy it" all you want, but there's an entire multi billion dollar industry predicated on that very idea.

[Buythatcard]

Originally Posted by Aquarian Sports Cards

I am not the hater that some are, but we're setting the bar pretty low if the fact that they don't break one particular rule while, at the very least, being complicit in allowing others to be flouted, is enough to make them your exclusive ebay shopping destination. There are hundreds if not thousands of sellers, like myself, RobertW, Buythatcard, and many more that follow and enforce ALL the rules.

Scott,

Thanks for including me as one of the nice guys.
I don't let the bigger sellers out there bother me. There are enough profits out there for everyone to share. I may not make as much as the big guy but as long as I come out ahead, I am happy.
If I am not making enough profit, then I will try to find better cards to sell.
I will still start every auction at .99 and let the market speak for itself.
If someone is allowing their auctions to be shilled, then just don't bid there. Obviously, there are enough bidders out there who don't care as long as they get the card they want.