Forum Shopping within grading companies

[orly57]

So this card has me drooling (currently on Goodwin at $7,500). It is gorgeous. The back doesn't bother me a bit. But you know what does? This is a 5-figure card (or close to it), in a psa 5 holder, but if this card goes to sgc, it is a 1.5 due to the paper loss. Correct me if I am wrong here, but that has been my experience both personally, and from my observations.
The lack of consistency within grading companies themselves is bad enough, but now we have astronomically large differences from one grading company to another, which results in forum shopping! The card has paper loss? DONT SEND TO SGC! That card is a 5 to psa, but a 1.5 to SGC. You have a handcut Bazooka Mantle or Ruth BigHead? DONT SEND TO PSA, because they won't give a numeric grade. SGC WILL! They are different companies, and have every right to grade cards as they see fit. But these huge discrepancies bring the legitimacy and purpose of the grading process into question.

[ullmandds]

totally agree. and if that's not bad enough...disparities amongst the different TPG'ers grading standards...its disparity amongst one TPG'ers standards over time...such as the case with PSA.

It's a big crock!!!!!!

[yanksfan09]

One need to look no further than the biggest card in the hobby, which as we know should be be in an Authentic Trimmed holder!

[glchen]

That's a misgrade by PSA. If you crack it out and send it back to PSA, it would get a 1.5 or 2.

[orly57]

Originally Posted by glchen

That's a misgrade by PSA. If you crack it out and send it back to PSA, it would get a 1.5 or 2.

See Pete's comment above.

[orly57]

Originally Posted by glchen

That's a misgrade by PSA. If you crack it out and send it back to PSA, it would get a 1.5 or 2.

And let's assume for a second that is true. Let's say it's really a psa 2. Would guys shell-out 7500-plus on it? It's the SAME CARD isn't it? Only the holder has changed. Are we card collectors or are we flip collectors? It is such a joke, and we continue to feed into the myth by buying holders over cards.

[irishdenny]

JuST A Few Observations:

1st ~ When PSA were iN their Primal Stage
They would Boost their Grade Opinion to an Extreme!
There's NothiN "PROFESSIONAL" About THiS iN Any Way Shape or Form,
Hence the PSA 8 Wagner!

2nd ~ to Note PSA's Primal Beginnings We Should Look to the "Flip" itself,
It Tells us Alot!
THiS one of Mr. Cobb's wit a Green Background,
The PSA Flip is From Their "Primal Stage"...
Way Back THeN, THiS was a PSA 5 to Them,
At THaT Time, Some Even Agreed to THiS Standard.

If You Look at the "Rounded White Corners, Wit the Red Background"
THiS Configuration Tells us THaT "The Slab is Very Old!!!"

JuSt to End...
When it Comes to "Flips", I Only Remember the Basics
I Do Know THaT There are a Few Members oN Here
THaT Could Teach a Class oN "Flips: Bar Codes & Configurations"

https://goldinauctions.com/1909_11_T...-LOT29129.aspx

[glchen]

Originally Posted by orly57

And let's assume for a second that is true. Let's say it's really a psa 2. Would guys shell-out 7500-plus on it? It's the SAME CARD isn't it? Only the holder has changed. Are we card collectors or are we flip collectors? It is such a joke, and we continue to feed into the myth by buying holders over cards.

That's true BUT you can argue that if that card were graded a 2, it would have superior eye appeal to practically any other green Cobb that was graded a 2. So even card collectors (and not flip collectors) would still value the card significantly above the average VCP for a 2. Saying all of that, I don't think the card should sell for what a 5 does.

[mattjc1983]

Originally Posted by orly57

And let's assume for a second that is true. Let's say it's really a psa 2. Would guys shell-out 7500-plus on it? It's the SAME CARD isn't it? Only the holder has changed. Are we card collectors or are we flip collectors? It is such a joke, and we continue to feed into the myth by buying holders over cards.

In the older cards, obviously a lot of the premiums for even small grade bumps has to do with the pop reports.

But those are dangerous assumptions people make. Not only are there ungraded cards in collections that, if/when graded would alter the pop reports, but there are likely still attic finds that will do the same. I would never play that lottery but many do.


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