Goudey Wide Pens 1937 vs 1936

[kevinlenane]

HI im trying to figure out how the 1937 and 1936 Goudey Wide Pens are distinguished. Ive seen them listed in various places as different sets and then the same set. Ive also seen folks claim the complete set while missing notable 1937 players like Doerr etc. Is there a definitive checklist for 1936-37 or two separate checklists? Any info anyone can provide on this would be helpful - id like to focus on 1937 but im not sure i can evaluate what that set actually comprises. Thanks in advance!

PS - Always looking for rare Ted Williams and Bobby Doerr cards! 1939 Goudey Premiums Ted is at the very top of my list!

[kevinlenane]

Any help on this? I still havent found any clarity online - there has to be a Goudey expert who can help? Thanks in advance.

[paul]

There are actually four or five separate Goudey Wide Pen sets from 1936 and 1937. They were all listed separately in the Standard Catalog last time I checked. The 1937 set is sometimes called the "creamy" set because it has a distinct creamy tone to the cards. This is the set that includes Feller and Doerr. I know there are experts out there on this group of sets. Hopefully, one of them will chime in with more information.

[kevinlenane]

Ah thanks! I was looking in a few other guides and the PSA set registry but the Standard lists all 5 types. So just to close the loop and post my findings - the Doerr is in the Type 4 set which is one of two (Type 4 and Type 5) that are under the unofficial "creamy" designation. ! The PSA holds them all in one big super set here:

http://www.psacard.com/psasetregistr...ite.aspx?c=569

But those are in fact 5 different sets types from 1936 and 1937.

Thank so much for pointing me in the right direction!

[MikeGarcia]

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..I just tried this and it will somewhat solve ninety-five percent of your dilemma : on E-Bay search , enter " R314 type "------use the ''Completed'' rather than the '' Sold ''; you'll get 'way more results..all five types are currently represented...I'm 99% complete on these so if there is a particular player or type you'd like to see , I'd be glad to help. Interesting but very frustrating set . The R313 is a cakewalk in comparison.

[ls7plus]

Originally Posted by paul

There are actually four or five separate Goudey Wide Pen sets from 1936 and 1937. They were all listed separately in the Standard Catalog last time I checked. The 1937 set is sometimes called the "creamy" set because it has a distinct creamy tone to the cards. This is the set that includes Feller and Doerr. I know there are experts out there on this group of sets. Hopefully, one of them will chime in with more information.

+1. And you are right on IMHO to be looking for the 1939 R303A Teddy Ballgame. Just how many are out there is a bit tricky--PSA has only graded 7, last time I checked the pop report, but there have been a significant number of sales of raw cards, indicating it is not as rare as the pop count might make it seem. It is clearly not that common, though, and should at least fall into the very scarce category. Insofar as significance, it is a much tougher rookie card of the greatest hitter who ever lived than his '39 Playball, a far better looking card to boot, and therefore a good choice for a significant increase in value over the coming years IMO.

Best of luck in your collecting endeavors,

Larry

[bcbgcbrcb]

As Larry stated, the Goudey Premium is much rarer than the Play Ball rookie card but is a premium and not a card so won't carry rookie card status. That will always keep it behind the Play Ball in terms of desirability (if not price) in my opinion.

BTW the Doerr and Feller are both '37's and rookies, although not technically cards, so they don't command the rookie card designation. Since these premiums are about the size of standard postcards, a very convincing argument could be made for considering them as cards and thus eligible for rookie card status.

[clydepepper]

Phil - Is the 1941 Double Play considered Feller's Rookie Card? I have both the '37 and the Double Play, but just sold my '48 Bowman...of course, there is always the Leaf issue too...so, which is the real RC?
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[bcbgcbrcb]

Raymond:

If you look past the R314, there were a couple of other '37 issues for Feller, OPC & 4-on-1 Exhibit, both would be considered rookie cards as the vast majority of collectors now view the '20's & '30's Exhibits as "cards". Thus, anything after 1937 would not be considered rookie cards, such as the 1938 Goudey Heads-Up card.

[kevinlenane]

Steve is that list proprietary? If not id LOVE for you to post it here. You can even self brand it

I agree on your Goudey Premium sentiment - its so much better looking than the Play Ball - ive still not seen a single one for sale in the last 6 months which certainly hits the very scarce designation.

[kevinlenane]

Side question - are there any vendors I should/could hit at the national for oddball/rare Ted cards? I know it might be wishful thinking but i am doing a day trip tmrw...

[kevinlenane]

Mike are you 99% complete on all the Goudey Wide Pens? How long did it take you to complete? I was going to focus on Type 4 for now...

[MikeGarcia]

...Yes , all five types ; some may not exist ---the PSA Pop Report checklist has a " Nutticomb " and a " Webb" which are not on any other checklists I've ever seen . PSA is a poor source of information for vintage cards. They have trouble even identifying sets .

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[kevinlenane]

Cool stuff - thanks for sharing those - the top registered PSA Goudey Wide Pen set is at ~50%. Any reason why you haven't registered yours there?

[MikeGarcia]

Originally Posted by kevinlenane

Cool stuff - thanks for sharing those - the top registered PSA Goudey Wide Pen set is at ~50%. Any reason why you haven't registered yours there?

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