T205 Hindu

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Posted By: leon

Hey Folks, I am interested in the many "type" cards in the auctions that are going on now. I figure with the finances the way they are and the good amount of stuff up I will need to go for 1 lot and hope I can go strong enough to get it. With all that being said how rare is the T205 Hindu back? I am in no way disputing what Lew says in his auction I have just found that sometimes there are other things around if you put your feelers out. Anyone have one or know approx how many they might have seen? ALSO, how rare are the Old Put and Niagra overstamped cards....thanks ya'll and as always best regards

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Posted By: John Wojak

Leon, if by "old Put" overstamped cards you mean the e98s with the Old Put stamp on the back, they are extremely rare. I have seen about 4-5 of them over the past 5 years, none of which unfortunately has made it into my collection. In a Mastro auction about a year ago there was a pair of e98 Cobbs, one with a blank back (which I now do own) and one with an Old Put overprint back which I believe is now owned by Doug Allen. I also think that Tbob has one (a Clarke possibly?).

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Posted By: BRIAN

Hey Leon
Hindu backs on T205's are pretty tough to find, not impossible like the drum backs, but definetly #2 in my book for t205's. Did you see the nice Sweet Cap on EBAY, too bad it's not from a t' card factory.
be well brian

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Posted By: ty_cobb

I've only seen about 4 T205 Hindu's. These are much
rarer than T206 Red Hindu's. I've heard estimates of
approx. 100 T205 Hindu's in existence today, but I
don't know of a single collector with a large collection of them. The back is second in rarity
behind Drum in the T205s.

Old Put overstamp caramels are very tough. I've seen Vaughn , also the Cobb in a previous Mastro auction. I bid on the Cobb but it was obviously highly sought after, folks were bidding way high on it.

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Posted By: ty_cobb

Only part of his description I would dispute is
rarer than T207 Red Cross. I haven't seen enough
Brown Lenox to contest the issue, but I doubt it.

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Posted By: TBob

John is right, I have an E98 Clarke with Old Put back which I acquired from Doug Allen. It is in nice shape and has the entire back present and whole stamp (the only other one I have seen has back damage and only part of the stamp showing).
As far as the T207 Red Cross, super tough. Much tougher than the T205 Hindu, even if an expert like Lew disagrees with me here. I am chasing the Red Cross T207 and am gearing up for a war.

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Posted By: warshawlaw

I collect boxing cards and without doubt some of the toughest regular issue T and N cards are red cross backs. I'd love to know what Lorillard did to make them so difficult

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Posted By: Tbob

It seems that I read somewhere that the Red Cross backs are linked with the Coupon backs and the same company produced both. Is this right? I know that Louisiana produced both but I also vaguely remember a Red Cross back coming out of New Jersey. Can anyone fill me in here?

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Posted By: ty_cobb

Coupons are listed on the back of the card as
factory 3 LA. Check the Blackburne T207, it is
listed as factory 10, 5th dist. NJ. I believe
the T207 Red Crosses were discovered primarily
in Louisiana, but as far as I know there is no
ownership link between Coupon and Red Cross
tobacco.

I don't think anyone knows what compelled Burdick
to categorize T215 Red Cross (Lorillards) with
T215 Pirates (Wills overseas issue), when in theory
to me T215 Red Cross could conceivably be seen as
a 'cousin' to T213 Coupons insofar as they are
Louisiana issues.

[Steve D]

Just wondering what the current value/rarity level of T205 Hindu backs is.

I just picked up a raw Jake Stahl that would grade a 1 due to heavy creasing.

Steve

[wolf441]

No idea on the value...but how cool is it to see a 12 year old post from Leon in the early stages of his "type" collection??!!

[Centauri]

Nice find. Any T205 Hindu is worth getting if you can. I have seen 1 or 2 for sale on this site for a heavy price, never on eBay in the year or so I have been looking.

I haven't really seen anywhere that tracks T205 by back - would love to know the answer to your question as well - and for Drum.

Someone posted a real nice Walter Johnson Hindu some time ago - sweetest card in the set, IMO.

[Econteachert205]

not sure if anyone posted this

http://www.robertedwardauctions.com/.../2010/325.html

[Wite3]

Hindus tend to be rather strong. They are one the rarest tobacco advertising in the t205 set. I would love to see a scan of your Stahl. It is a previously unknown front back combo. It fits the matrix of backs though and should command a nice price at auction. Prices for Hindus have been all over the place for low grade (1's/10s) from $250 to $650...it really is what some one will pay for it. They come up a few times a year. Depending on condition I might be able to give you a better price point for it.

Joshua

[AddieJoss]

I feel a low grade Hindu is more in the 1k+ range. It is the toughest of all the T205 backs.

[Wite3]

Cory,
I do not feel that is bourne out by any sales lately...most recent sales I have found for 1s/10s (in the past few years) put them far less than $1000...it is the rarest back (other than blank backs) but unless it is higher grade, it should not command that price. But, of course, who knows, it always ends up being worth what someone is willing to pay...

Joshua

[sb1]

a 3 traded for $1,500 at the National, a bit weak back printing but a 3 none the less. It is by far the toughest T205 back and many seem to need the card, but due to lack of pricing don't feel comfortable paying the full value. A nicer 3 would have probably been $1,800 or so. A 4 was offered in the mid 2's and several offers of 2k+/- were declined by the seller, it had a very strong back.

[AddieJoss]

Joshua,
I would buy any/all graded 1s at at least 500-600 each. Hindu or Drum. Hindu being more desirable. PM me if anyone has any. This is only because I am confident that folks would being to pay 1k.
Cory

[Wite3]

I would hope so...might have to consider moving a couple of my poor hindus then if people are paying $1000+ for them.

Joshua

[Centauri]

Josh,

There is a pretty strong market for Hindu and Drum out there. Here on BST, or eBay, or elsewhere - you'll see some activity. I want one, that is for sure!

[AddieJoss]

I have a graded SGC 30 I would be willing to sell , but it wouldn't be inexpensive. They are so tough to find.

[orioles70]

As far as I know this is the only Hugh Duffy Hindu back confirmed

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