The oldest card on this board?

[19cbb]

Originally Posted by earlybball

As far as my research show, this is the only known and remaining example of this CDV.

Not the only one known example in CDV format.

One question: how could Lillywhite have sold this CDV in his tent while in the US when the photo was taken just before his sailing aboard the Liverpool?

Unless I'm missing something, this photo was published while the chaps were still playing abroad.

[doug.goodman]

Originally Posted by barrysloate

There's an 1859 Harper's woodcut depicting an important cricket match ... but I was referring to the game in progress that's on the same page as the baseball print.

I posted a picture of the entire two page spread, with both the cricket and baseball games, earlier on this thread.

Doug

[Wymers Auction]

Originally Posted by benjulmag

Dates to 1844, scene depicted is a baseball game being played at Elysian Fields

That is awesome!!!!

[barrysloate]

Thanks Doug. When the threads get long I usually forget what was posted at the beginning.

[earlybball]

Thanks Barry, James and Doug. The double page spread is cool.

Jimmy, have you seen another one of these previously?
On your question, Lillywhite hired a photographer to come on board (at Liverpool where the photo was taken)and the snaps went with him to the USA. He had planned this trip well before hand as a money making exercise. Before they started with the games, the group went on a site seeing tour while Lillywhite organised the tent and had the CDV's & other programs printed in NY. It's all in the book - every facet of the trip was covered in its 400 or so pages. If I have time I will try to dig out the page if you are interested.

- Jason

[19cbb]

Hi Jason, long time my friend, didn't know it was you when I first replied.

Yes, I've seen a couple of copies of the CDV and I own a larger format mounted albumen with the Hennah and publishers print caption on bottom.

I don't remember reading about Fred Lilly' printing programs and cdvs in New York when other fellas went sightseeing. I have the book and will check again.

Was it in Caffyn's book maybe?

Btw, I'm currently writing a blog post in relation to the '59 XI that I hope to have published by next tuesday.

[Exhibitman]

My oldest card, made sometime between 1862 and 1870, of American champ John C. Heenan of Benecia, California. This is the earliest verifiable boxing card. Charles Deforest Fredricks issued the card as part of his commercially produced "Specialite" series of famous personages, sold from his gallery in New York City. His work is featured in a number of museum collections, including the Smithsonian. The copyright date refers to the making of the image, not the card itself. The form of copyright notice dates the card to before the advent of centralized copyright registration in Washington 1870. Since Heenan was out of the sport before the Civil War ended, I suspect the card was actually issued pre-1865, but there is no way to prove it one way or the other.

[Hankphenom]

Here's my candidate. I call it the earliest "proto-baseball" Card. Hey, at least it's a card, from a set. I have 17 other cards from the set, a child's word learning game of 100+ cards. Produced sometime between 1800-1850, from what I could find out, probably more toward the earlier part of the century.

First Baseball Card.jpg

[earlybball]

Hey Jimmy, nice to make contact again - it has been a while my friend.

Thanks for the info on the CDV's - I have looked high and low for other examples. Your larger format version sounds like a stunning piece - any chance of posting some scans?

On the printing, let me check the book this weekend to see if I can find it. I did a bunch of research on this image when I first got it 3 or so years back and I made the notes about the printing then. I will dig it out unless my wife pops out No 3 this weekend (she is due next week). I will be catching up with you at this rate!

Your upcoming blog sounds fascinating -I look forward to reading it! What address can I find it on Tuesday?

Cheers, Jason

[FrankWakefield]

Barry is a card, one who's on this board. But Ted is older. Ted is older than dirt. Ted is the oldest card on this board.