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This is a fake cap, ain't it?
Posted By: Aaron M.
Would love for this cap to be real, but it's a reproduction from Cooperstown Ballcap Co, right? |
#2
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This is a fake cap, ain't it?
Posted By: Dan Bretta
You know, looking at the other stuff this guy is selling and some of the stuff he's sold in the past he doesn't look like he's in the business of selling junk repro stuff as real...but I'm no expert on uniforms and caps. It would be nice to see what one of those repro caps looks like...they only show a "cartoonish" version on their website. |
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This is a fake cap, ain't it?
Posted By: paulstratton
I had one of these Cooperstown repro versions about 10 years ago. It was different if I remember...it didn't have a short bill like this one does and it was made of "stiffer" material. Did old caps have mesh inserts in them though? |
#4
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This is a fake cap, ain't it?
Posted By: davidcycleback
The same longwave blacklight you use on baseball cards is useful in identifying modern repro baseball caps. This is as much modern thread, tags and cloth fluoresces brightly under blacklight. Post WWII Manufacturers add the same type of brightly fluorescing chemicals to thread as they do card stock. |
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This is a fake cap, ain't it?
Posted By: E, Daniel
St Johns Baseball Team circa 1900 |
#6
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This is a fake cap, ain't it?
Posted By: Aaron M.
Hey, E, can you show the inside of the cap as well? |
#7
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This is a fake cap, ain't it?
Posted By: E, Daniel
and umm, first name is Daniel . |
#8
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This is a fake cap, ain't it?
Posted By: Aaron M.
I shied away from the cap in part because the inside looked like a cap manufactured post 1960 rather than turn-of-the-century, but Troy Kinnunen of MEARS was the winning bidder and I doubt he spends over $1,000 on the cap if he doesn't think he can authenticate it and re-sell for much more. |
#9
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This is a fake cap, ain't it?
Posted By: Dan Bretta
Interesting. That's Dave Bushing's ebay ID. Maybe he and Troy share that one? |
#10
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This is a fake cap, ain't it?
Posted By: Aaron M.
I'm pretty sure it's Troy's ID. In any case, it was MEARS buying. |
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This is a fake cap, ain't it?
Posted By: Joseph Jesselli
Of course an authentic cap from the first year of The American League would be a steal at the hammer price here. MEARS can't lose by outbidding the world for dubious items. They risk nothing. Since they are the number one authenticators of sports equipment, they are the ones who decide whether something is real or not. So they either win, or they get their money back. Nice, huh? |
#12
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This is a fake cap, ain't it?
Posted By: Aaron M.
Exactly -- that's what makes MEARS conflict of interest so insipid. They are the ones deciding if something is authentic or not. So all they have to do is stamp their own LOA on this baby and they can probably triple their money (at least). Who is to challenge them? Especially if the conflict of interest is undisclosed as is the case when MEARS sells its own items on Mastro? |
#13
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This is a fake cap, ain't it?
Posted By: Dan Bretta
It's Bushing's ID...he just bought something from me on ebay last week. I know he has another ID that he sells with though. |
#14
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This is a fake cap, ain't it?
Posted By: Aaron M.
I don't think it's a catch-22 at all. When I discussed this issue with the MEARS guys (Troy and Dave) a couple years ago they used the same excuse -- they didn't make enough money authenticating to give up being dealers. |
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This is a fake cap, ain't it?
Posted By: davidcycle
It's Troy's id. Bushing buys and sells under dbushing1, which obviously isn't covert. I've bought from Bushing before on eBay and was satisfied with his service (nothing he sold me came with a MEARS or SCD LOA). |
#16
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This is a fake cap, ain't it?
Posted By: Dan Bretta
Troy may use that ebay ID, but I'm telling you guys Dave Bushing bought something from me on ebay LAST WEEK using that same ebay ID. The ID is registered to Dave Bushing. |
#17
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This is a fake cap, ain't it?
Posted By: Aaron M.
Perhaps Bushing has been using Troy's ID because his own ID isn't so "covert"? |
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This is a fake cap, ain't it?
Posted By: Joseph Jesselli
I think it's bad practice for someone to sell something he or she authenticates his or herself. I think it's outrageous not to disclose that fact. |
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This is a fake cap, ain't it?
Posted By: Troy R. Kinunen
Just wanted to clarify some issues with respect to the cap that I bid on. |
#20
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This is a fake cap, ain't it?
Posted By: Joseph Jesselli
So...voila! The answer was the original post. So readers of this forum didn't have to make a foolish mistake like lesser-informed bidders. |
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This is a fake cap, ain't it?
Posted By: Aaron M.
"2. With respects to "undisclosed conflict of interest", this is not the case with MEARS or our authenticators. Since October 20th, 2005, we have voluntarily disclosed which items we own that we have also provided an opinion on when consigning an item to an auction house. These items were posted on the section prominently displayed as "our items at auction". This feature was free to any interested party and we did not make this a portion of our members section. Although some may feel this is still a "conflict of interest", it cannot be categorized as an "undisclosed conflict of interest." |
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This is a fake cap, ain't it?
Posted By: Dan Bretta
Troy, I certainly wouldn't use ballcap.com as an identification guide since the two Lincoln minor league caps they have listed are NOT the correct style for either one. They're both cool, but I'm thinking they just guessed on the color of the Chiefs cap and decided to put an antelope on the hat for the 1911 team when their hats had no design at all on them that year. |
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This is a fake cap, ain't it?
Posted By: Aaron M.
Hey, Joe, I spotted it as a fake, and Troy didn't. What does that tell you?? Maybe I should start authenticating. Yeah, that's the ticket... |
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This is a fake cap, ain't it?
Posted By: Aaron M.
Oh, and Dan the Tigers cap style in question actually dates to 1910 era, so the seller got it wrong as he obviously just referenced the incorrect dating from the Ballcap Co. website. |
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