T206 Wiltse w/cap PSA 3 Brown Lenox in REA

[bbsports]

I was wondering if any member noticed lot #369 in REA's auction of Hooks Wiltse with cap PSA 3. PSA labeled the card as a Brown Lexox. For the collectors out there that have seen or ever owned a Brown Lexox, does the back of the card look like a brown Lenox to you? Open for suggestions? Thank you.

[Sean]

I thought it looks like faded black, but I've asked a few friends and some of them think that it's brown.
So I guess this isn't very helpful.

[atx840]

I've compared it to other browns REA scanned and it's not near as distinct. However it looks brown-ish in other scans.

[edhans]

Judging from the pictures on the website, I thought it was faded black as well. It's probably one of those cards you need to observe in person. At $8.3k, I hope for the buyer's sake it's brown.

[GoldenAge50s]

Can anyone tell me what constitutes exact PROOF that a Lenox is brown or black/faded black?

What is the ultimate determing factor?

It certainly can't be that 51% say it is, so it is,--or is it?

[Runscott]

Fred, I always compare questionable 'brown' backs to brown Hindus. If they don't look the same, they are probably faded.

[GoldenAge50s]

Thanks Scott. What do the Graders use as proof? It can't be they just compare to another card & say "Good" or "No Good" do they?

[Leon]

Originally Posted by GoldenAge50s

Can anyone tell me what constitutes exact PROOF that a Lenox is brown or black/faded black?

What is the ultimate determing factor?

It certainly can't be that 51% say it is, so it is,--or is it?

When selling they are brown, when buying they are black.

[Sean]

Originally Posted by GoldenAge50s

Can anyone tell me what constitutes exact PROOF that a Lenox is brown or black/faded black?

What is the ultimate determing factor?

It certainly can't be that 51% say it is, so it is,--or is it?

It doesn't even require 51%, it only requires a TPG to say that it's brown.

[GoldenAge50s]

Thanks Sean.

So that's IT?

Until a TPG SAYS what it is, everyone else is just guessing and there is NO way that I, for example, can DEFINITELY say that I have a raw Brown Lenox, or Brown Old Mill?

To put it another way: There are Redman real cards & Redman reprints and I can tell the difference so that you would believe me if I say I have a real one---BUT--

--if I say I have a Brown Lenox, no one can believe me UNLESS it's in a reputable slab because there is no test I can do or knowledge I could have?

Just trying to get real facts & information here.