Not again! This is why I have a problem with PWCC!! Sorry for the rant!

[CrackaJackKid]

Originally Posted by Snapolit1

More than other sellers on ebay yes, but not more than the major AHs.

I have tried to sell $2000 and $3000 and $5000 cards on eBay and gone nowhere. People are hesitant to wire some dude somewhere real money, even with good feedback. Say what you want about PWCC (and I often have), they are a known brand and people feel comfortable buying (or overpaying for) high end (HE) cards from them.

I find that hard to believe when eBay has your back 100%. So you’re saying more people trust PWCC and not eBay?

[bobbyw8469]

Originally Posted by CrackaJackKid

I find that hard to believe when eBay has your back 100%. So you’re saying more people trust PWCC and not eBay?

Ebay is just a venue...both I and PWCC sell on Ebay....for some reason, I truly believe we can have the EXACT same card....same grade....same centering, everything....99 times out of 100, the PWCC card will sell for more.

[CrackaJackKid]

Originally Posted by bobbyw8469

Ebay is just a venue...both I and PWCC sell on Ebay....for some reason, I truly believe we can have the EXACT same card....same grade....same centering, everything....99 times out of 100, the PWCC card will sell for more.

I understand your statement completely. But to say people would rather spend big money with PWCC cause they’re “well known” and not some other party is as ridiculous as I’ll get out.

[Snapolit1]

Originally Posted by CrackaJackKid

I understand your statement completely. But to say people would rather spend big money with PWCC cause they’re “well known” and not some other party is as ridiculous as I’ll get out.

Everyone knows the PWCC shill bids their higher end auctions and rolls the dice somebody will come along and snag it. If not, they buy the card then consign it to a big name AH and the cycle begins.

All I said was that particularly if you selling an expensive card, people are hesitant to buy off some outfit they are not familiar with. Common sense. While I know eBay is supposedly guaranteed, if I had to send 5,000 to some one with a few feedback and little history I'd be a nervous wreck.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by CrackaJackKid

I understand your statement completely. But to say people would rather spend big money with PWCC cause they’re “well known” and not some other party is as ridiculous as I’ll get out.

Everyone knows the PWCC shill bids their higher end auctions and rolls the dice somebody will come along and snag it. If not, they buy the card then consign it to a big name AH and the cycle begins.

snagging their own consignment can be pretty pricy if they are paying for their own card...eating 800 dollars etc would seem to eat into any future profit when sending it to another AH

[mechanicalman]

Originally Posted by CrackaJackKid

I understand your statement completely. But to say people would rather spend big money with PWCC cause they’re “well known” and not some other party is as ridiculous as I’ll get out.

Everyone knows the PWCC shill bids their higher end auctions and rolls the dice somebody will come along and snag it. If not, they buy the card then consign it to a big name AH and the cycle begins.

Wait, are you claiming that the owners of PWCC have an organized scheme to place in house bids (a la Mastro) on the material consigned to them? That’s a pretty lofty accusation, dude. I have no doubt consigners are shilling their cards all day (I’ve seen evidence of it), but I’d be surprised that Brent et. al. would take that risk given the relative transparency of eBay bidding. But perhaps I misunderstood you.

[CrackaJackKid]

Originally Posted by mechanicalman

Wait, are you claiming that the owners of PWCC have an organized scheme to place in house bids (a la Mastro) on the material consigned to them? That’s a pretty lofty accusation, dude. I have no doubt consigners are shilling their cards all day (I’ve seen evidence of it), but I’d be surprised that Brent et. al. would take that risk given the relative transparency of eBay bidding. But perhaps I misunderstood you.

So all the bidders who have 90%+ bidding activity with PWCC and have 30-50+ bid retractions in the last 6 months are all consignors?

[mechanicalman]

Originally Posted by CrackaJackKid

So all the bidders who have 90%+ bidding activity with PWCC and have 30-50+ bid retractions in the last 6 months are all consignors?

It’s tough to argue against conspiracy theories, but yes, it’s far more plausible that it’s a consignor doing that, not someone at PWCC. Just consider the math. If there’s a card selling for $50k, and a consignor successfully shills it to $55k, then the consignor’s incremental take is 90% of the $5k, or, $4500. PWCC might net 5% of that amount after their fees, or an incremental $250. The upside of PWCC perpetrating the shilling just isn’t there, unlike Mastro, whose take was probably 20-30% of the final value.

[CrackaJackKid]

Originally Posted by mechanicalman

It’s tough to argue against conspiracy theories, but yes, it’s far more plausible that it’s a consignor doing that, not someone at PWCC. Just consider the math. If there’s a card selling for $50k, and a consignor successfully shills it to $55k, then the consignor’s incremental take is 90% of the $5k, or, $4500. PWCC might net 5% of that amount after their fees, or an incremental $250. The upside of PWCC perpetrating the shilling just isn’t there, unlike Mastro, whose take was probably 20-30% of the final value.

I’ve seen and other users have posted Auctions from PWCC were the top two or theee bidders are all 90% and 30-40 retractions. Coincidence? Heck, maybe 3 guys all went in on the card so they all decided to bid it up individually. Lol Come on man

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by bobbyw8469

Ebay is just a venue...both I and PWCC sell on Ebay....for some reason, I truly believe we can have the EXACT same card....same grade....same centering, everything....99 times out of 100, the PWCC card will sell for more.

I think thats normal and not shocking at all and rather expected

I have 'won' items on ebay and all of the sudden the card is not available or not shipped etc. Much less of a chance of that on pwcc

Plus, there are sellers out there that shill their own cards and when they 'win' them on another of their accounts account they just cancel the sale and dont have to eat anything

At least theres a better chance with pwcc that the consignor will have to eat a 10% or so fee to win their own card versus a guy with 2 accounts selling his card on ebay.

Just for those 2 reasons i woudl think the same card on pwcc should go for more than the average joe account...plus a ton more reasons...like bulk shipping if you win several items etc.