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Old 04-05-2009, 02:38 PM
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Posted By: Ted Zanidakis

You are assuming something from my above scan of the 4 cards. I did not say that the BB/Movie Star
combo cards were issued at the same time as the SQUARE card issue (that Adam W. identified as the
"Sports Star Subjects" issue).
Judging from the consistent discoloration of these perforated dual-cards, I'd say they were printed and
issued in the 1950's.

This brings up another mystery regarding the SQUARE cards that we haven't discussed yet. And, that
is the "warehouse find" of 1000's of these cards in the early 1980's by David Festberg.

I think the cards in this find are REPRINTS that may never have been in circulation. Until, of course,
David started selling them.
The cardboard that these cards are printed on is not as thick as the original cards. And, the printing
quality and contrast of these cards is inferior to the original cards.


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As always great info. Thanks Ted.

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Old 04-05-2009, 02:59 PM
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Posted By: Ted Zanidakis

JEFF....two good "Q's"......

First, it's been 62 years since I was pulling these cards out of the Bond Bread loaves....so, I don't
recall if there was one card or two in the package. I'll ask my sister, who seems to remember such
trivia better than I.

2nd....Tip Top bread was actually the favorite in our house back in the 1940's and '50's. However,
the bread we bought from the stores in the Hillside, NJ area never had the Tip Top cards in them.
So, I can't give you an answer on this one. Perhaps, we will get lucky, and have some one on this
forum chime in with the issue date of the Tip Top bread cards.

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Posted By: Ted Zanidakis

I haven't forgotten you, guy. The 1947 BOND BREAD Jackie Robinson set of 13 cards was indeed issued in 1947.
These cards are the exact same size (2 1/4 x 3 1/2) as the general 1947 BOND BREAD set of 48 cards. However,
it's my understanding that the JRobby cards were never inserted in the BOND BREAD packages....therefore, there
was not a need to bevel their corners....so they remained SQUARE.

They were promotional cards honoring JRobby that were issued by Bond Bread. I have heard that they were most
likely distributed in the greater NYC area. We never saw them in our neighborhood stores in NJ.

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Posted By: Ted Zanidakis

It's amazing what shows up on this forum. Your George Raft card is very cool. Raft was a "cool" villain
in the movies back when I was a kid. There is no doubt that this card was packaged in a BOND BREAD
loaf. Otherwise, why would it have rounded corners ? It certainly has the picture quality of the 48 cards
in the 1947 Homogenized BOND BREAD set.
However, I would guess that Bond Bread was inserting movie stars in their bread packages subsequent
to the BB (and Boxing) cards of 1947. Furthermore, including movie stars in with the Bond bread may've
been a regional thing. I have never seen (or heard) of Bond Bread packaging of movie star cards before
you mentioned your Raft card. And, I've compared experiences collecting these Bond Bread cards with
other hobbyists who collected these cards as kids (in Boston, Cleveland, St louis, etc.) and no one ever
brought up any other cards than the known 48 in the '47 set.
You have a really "rare bird" in your George Raft card.


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Posted By: Ted Zanidakis

Very neat, thanks for sharing it with us. The original 1947 Bond Bread cards were available in the bread loaves in the Sring of '47
thru sometime in 1948. After then they were premiums in several grocery products such as your display.


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Posted By: boxingcardman

I rescued George from a junk box on a dealer's table because of his association with the Jewish mob. Raft ran with a tough crowd as a kid but happened to be talented enough to have a different route out of poverty. He was a friend of several major crime figures, including Bugsy Siegel and Meyer Lansky.

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Posted By: David M

Ted, I was one of those that bought a "set" from David Festberg back in the 1980's. I believe it is unlikely that anyone reprinted these cards and then stuck them in a warehouse. It seems more likely that they were leftovers from the "Sports Star Subjects" issue that Mr. Festberg then found stored. You said the cards David sold were inferior to the originals in print quality and contrast but how do they compare to the "Sports Star Subjects" cards. Are they the same? I guess that leaves us with the other question. Where do we think the combo cards came from?


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Good information Ted. Here is a Primo Carnera card I bought from Larry Fritsch a few years ago along with some others. They were indeed advertised as 1947 Bond Bread.
Primo way past his time here...any excuse to wear tights I guess happy.gif

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Posted By: boxingcardman

In 1946, a few years after he finally retired as a fighter, Primo Carnera became a wrestler and wrestled until retiring in 1961. So did Joe Louis for a time when he needed the money. If you see the movie "Requiem For A Heavyweight" where Anthony Quinn's broken-down fighter ends up being a pro wrestler afterwards, that's based on Carnera.

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