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Old 11-13-2017, 08:33 AM
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I remember that thread, I never saw that you posted resolution for that. Maybe people thought it was your stolen card? I wouldn't bid on a card I thought was stolen, but if I thought it was stolen, I would have notified you when I saw it. Did anyone alert you of it listed on e-bay?
Yes..same card.....I don't know if he wants me to out him here, but a fellow board member helped me recover it. It was in post office "limbo" an extra week, and no one knew where it was. It all of the sudden showed up. And I proceeded to lose $400 on it. That card was jinxed from the start.
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Old 11-13-2017, 08:36 AM
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PS - No one alerted me off Ebay. I'm just lamenting the fact that the only sellers who get bids are PWCC and Probstein. Let's face reality. Any other seller who lists cards for .99 cents just DOES NOT get the bids that those two gets. They run the risk of selling their items for peanuts. That's the facts.
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Old 11-13-2017, 09:05 AM
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Bobby, I don't know you other than from your posts on here, but it always seems like there is some drama involved with all of your transactions. Either every one of your cards sells too low, or something is lost then mysteriously appears, or whatever. Seems like a lot of drama around every situation.

Do you think that maybe, just maybe, potential buyers are aware of the drama which tends to follow you, and might shy away from your listings, to avoid getting sucked into a potential scenario? All it might take is one buyer to get soured and stay away, and maybe he would've caused the final price to be $900 instead of $730. Is it worth the posts complaining about things, to lose money on a sale?

Like I said, I don't recall any transactions with you and don't have any personal negative experience, but maybe pump the brakes a bit on the drama, as it certainly could have a negative impact by causing potential buyers to look elsewhere....

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Bobby, last night I lost out ona PWCC auction for a T206 Mathewson White Cap PSA 7. This was the same exact card that sold on Ebay by Greg Morris Auctions, a few weeks prior, for a tad under $8,000. I was the underbidder at $12,135!! The auction closed at $12,236. So, here PWCC gets over $4000 more for the same exact card as another (fairly large) Ebay seller got just a few weeks prior.

And, I had a very nice PSA 6 in the same card that I bought for $3,200 and recently traded as part of a larger trade. I doubt I could have gotten $3,200 out of the card if I listed it on ebay. It is a real pretty 6, but the premium from a 6 to a 7 (both equal to grade) is HUGE given the player and scarcity of the card. And, no doubt if I had listed the PSA 6 in an ebay auction, I would have gotten far less than if PWCC listed it; partly because I have no ebay presence (a mere 50 feedback) and PWCC does, and partly because, well, there just seems to be some odd stuff that sometimes occurs in those ebay auctions.....
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Old 11-13-2017, 09:24 AM
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Bobby, I don't know you other than from your posts on here, but it always seems like there is some drama involved with all of your transactions. Either every one of your cards sells too low, or something is lost then mysteriously appears, or whatever. Seems like a lot of drama around every situation.

Do you think that maybe, just maybe, potential buyers are aware of the drama which tends to follow you, and might shy away from your listings, to avoid getting sucked into a potential scenario? All it might take is one buyer to get soured and stay away, and maybe he would've caused the final price to be $900 instead of $730. Is it worth the posts complaining about things, to lose money on a sale?

Like I said, I don't recall any transactions with you and don't have any personal negative experience, but maybe pump the brakes a bit on the drama, as it certainly could have a negative impact by causing potential buyers to look elsewhere....
That appears to be a made up assumption, as the card that was "lost" was only the 2nd one "lost" in over a 20 year career. Pretty good track record. And for you to think I am "drama filled" tells me you know nothing about me at all. I am one of the LEAST drama filled people there is. I HATE drama! Im also one of the most professional people you can deal with. Just ask anyone who has done a group sub with me.
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Old 11-13-2017, 09:26 AM
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Bobby, last night I lost out ona PWCC auction for a T206 Mathewson White Cap PSA 7. This was the same exact card that sold on Ebay by Greg Morris Auctions, a few weeks prior, for a tad under $8,000. I was the underbidder at $12,135!! The auction closed at $12,236. So, here PWCC gets over $4000 more for the same exact card as another (fairly large) Ebay seller got just a few weeks prior.

And, I had a very nice PSA 6 in the same card that I bought for $3,200 and recently traded as part of a larger trade. I doubt I could have gotten $3,200 out of the card if I listed it on ebay. It is a real pretty 6, but the premium from a 6 to a 7 (both equal to grade) is HUGE given the player and scarcity of the card. And, no doubt if I had listed the PSA 6 in an ebay auction, I would have gotten far less than if PWCC listed it; partly because I have no ebay presence (a mere 50 feedback) and PWCC does, and partly because, well, there just seems to be some odd stuff that sometimes occurs in those ebay auctions.....
That is mind boggling to me. That one person has that much dominance over other sellers.
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Old 11-13-2017, 09:27 AM
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One grade difference on the right card can bring a big price differential at times. However ridiculous. Not telling you anything you don’t already know.
right key is POP....a babe ruth psa 4 to psa 5 in a 1933 goudey brings much bigger price difference than a 2 to 3 or 3 to 4 etc....same with t206 cobb

heck even if its the same grade..centering can be a 50% difference on cards in the 1000 dollar rage and more etc

plus you complained when you consigned cards to pwcc you dont do well...but when you sell on your own you give the cards away you say......
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Old 11-13-2017, 09:28 AM
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The irony behind "I hate drama", but start a thread complaining about something. Isn't that kind of the definition of drama?
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Old 11-13-2017, 09:32 AM
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That is mind boggling to me. That one person has that much dominance over other sellers.
It is not mind boggling at all. There have been many threads on here explaining why.
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Old 11-13-2017, 10:10 AM
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right key is POP....a babe ruth psa 4 to psa 5 in a 1933 goudey brings much bigger price difference than a 2 to 3 or 3 to 4 etc....same with t206 cobb

heck even if its the same grade..centering can be a 50% difference on cards in the 1000 dollar rage and more etc

plus you complained when you consigned cards to pwcc you dont do well...but when you sell on your own you give the cards away you say......
When I sell myself, I give cards away...more than if they sold with PWCC. When my cards do poorly with PWCC, it is when they have multiples of the same card, same grade up for auction. Maybe there is an ulterior motive why they dont do well, but that has been discussed ad naseum. No need to rehash THAT aspect of it again.
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