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Old 11-13-2017, 01:46 PM
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A is used as an umbrella grade. It can be on a card that was altered, is in poor condition, is just Authentic(as some card issues were), or some collectors just want a card slabbed and an A used instead of numerical.
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Away from grading, authentic for anything means the item is genuine. For card grades, it means the card is genuine but there is something wrong with it-- alteration, restoration, major damage, ultra poor condition, or if the submitter specifically asked for the grade (perhaps the owner preferred an Auth to a Poor).

Also, there may some really rare and esoteric items that will only get the authentic grade.

In my world of artifact authentication, authenticity and condition grade are two different things.

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Old 11-13-2017, 02:14 PM
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Thanks, Jonathan.

I think that was exactly my issue. The sad thing is that there was no instruction (at least not in anything I read) that PSA would encapsulate as 'AA' IF THE SUBMISSION HAD A NOTE REQUESTING. Since I did not know that, I must re-submit and repay to get that type of 'grading'.

Ugh. It seems a shame that a suspicious grade will be given even though the impact is almost certainly due to holders. Given today's "need" for grading, it looks like that must be done, and the value appropriately impacted - whatever that is!

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Agreed. Authenticity and condition are 2 separate items, but questionable authenticity really undermines its value. Although assigning a numerical grade to an 'altered' card is a contradiction, it's too bad there is not some way to clarify what the issues might be.

I think SGC tries to do that as I have some Old Judge cards graded as 'A' but with 'skinned' or 'trimmed' indicated on the flip. That helps. Even if it were only recorded in the SGC certification library. At least that way, a buyer could get a better picture based on a cert lookup.
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Thanks again, Andrew and Gary
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Old 11-13-2017, 02:30 PM
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I agree that a condition grade of 'Authentic' is ambiguous.

I should add that there are scarce cases where there is so much restoration that there are questions about 'How authentic is it?" I'm not talking about trimming our touching up, but cases where, say, 40 percent of the item has been restored with foreign materials. And, of course, there are alteration of otherwise genuine items that are designed to change the identity and thus are forgeries (rare variations, T206 Magie, etc). Some genuine but badly broken ancient Indian Artifacts, such as stone arrowheads or knives, are rechipped into whole pieces, and many collectors in that area would consider these borderline forgeries-- or at least, not entirely authentic. Genuine ancient American Indian artifacts are commonly 'cleaned up,' so that's a collecting area were looking for restoration is common.

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Drcy,

I have a friend who is a long-time Indian artifact collector/dealer, and he shares your opinion.

It's a shame that such things undermine the fun in our hobbies. Ignorance might have been blissful in the days prior to huge prices and the extortion of grading.
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Jonathan, What did the graders say about the minimum size not met label? That one has always baffled me.

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Jonathan, What did the graders say about the minimum size not met label? That one has always baffled me.

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That is a card that shows no signs of trimming, but measures short. A factory miscut generally being the reason. There is a pretty nice looking cj joe Jackson in an authentic non altered holder for this reason.
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What I don't get is that they give a number grade to oversized cards but will not put a number grade to a card that they deemed to be unaltered from the factory. That is why I am curious to what kind of response the graders would give.

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Sorry thought that was a general question we typically see around here. Didn't notice it was from an auction house and about a specific issue.
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