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Who is the Real Father of Baseball?
Posted By: Joann
Great conversation. I think the reason more don't join in is because (if they are anything like me) they don't think they can add to the knowledge - just take it away. |
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Who is the Real Father of Baseball?
Posted By: barrysloate
Henry Ford may not have invented the automobile, but he certainly played a pivotal role in mass producing them. |
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Who is the Real Father of Baseball?
Posted By: Anonymous
I grew up believing that Abner Doubleday devised a set of rules that helped transform town ball into base ball. Then I learned that he didn't, and fellows like Cartwright and others did more to enhance the game. Then I read up on this and saw that many of our current beliefs are based on a lack of first hand information. New things pop up every year about baseball's origins. |
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Who is the Real Father of Baseball?
Posted By: barrysloate
There are numerous books pre-1839, including a German one from 1796, that include rules for baseball, and even use the term "baseball." You need go no further than that to know that the game was played prior to 1839. |
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Who is the Real Father of Baseball?
Posted By: Corey R. Shanus
To my knowledge no credible baseball historian believes Abner Doubleday had anything to do with the invention of baseball, period. And that the Mills Commission was nothing more than a ruse by Albert Spalding to capitalize on the patriotism extant in the aftermath of the Spanish American War to Americanize baseball and, in the process, sell some more of his sporting equipment. Probably the most prominant baseball historian of the period, Henry Chadwick, regarded the Mills Commission findings as a joke and something not to be taken seriously. The fact that a form of baseball might have been played in Cooperstown in or around 1839 is irrelevant because there is ample documentation that both the name baseball as well as many, if not all, of its current rules long predate 1839. Just the fact that Abner Doubleday is not even a member of the HOF tells enough what knowledgable people think of his association to baseball. |
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Who is the Real Father of Baseball?
Posted By: Max Weder
A very good book on the origins of baseball is David Block's Baseball Before We Knew It |
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Who is the Real Father of Baseball?
Posted By: Anonymous
corey: Baseball is not the invention of one person. Didn't Chadwick claim baseball sprang from rounders so any differing opinion must be wrong? |
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Who is the Real Father of Baseball?
Posted By: Dan Bretta
Well, here we have proof that organized ball playing came before Graves claims of Doubleday and Cooperstown so he should be eliminated from the mix anyway. |
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Who is the Real Father of Baseball?
Posted By: Corey R. Shanus
Annoymous, |
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Who is the Real Father of Baseball?
Posted By: barrysloate
The Doubleday story has become a great embarrassment to the Hall of Fame, because when it opened to the public in 1939, it was to commemorate the 100th anniversary of the invention of the game. |
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Who is the Real Father of Baseball?
Posted By: Anonymous
Dan: The 1837 Olympia Rules is a significant find. That auction also has a photo of Abner Doubleday in it's baseball section. What's he doing there? |
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Who is the Real Father of Baseball?
Posted By: Dan Bretta
Baseball collectors pay a premium for CDV's and cabinets of Abner Doubleday not because they believe he invented baseball, but because over time he has become a mythological figure in baseball lore. |
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Who is the Real Father of Baseball?
Posted By: DD
I was in a Chinese restaurant yesterday and posed this question to the maitre'd. Of course, he said Cartwright. It's funny that when he said that, a bald guy in glasses showed up. |
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Who is the Real Father of Baseball?
Posted By: barrysloate
Oh, that will 5-10 minutes! |
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Who is the Real Father of Baseball?
Posted By: anthony
i bought my 15 yr old "baseball a film by ken burns" for christmas and we watched the first inning yesterday. man did my son have a ton of questions after watching it. i watched it several years ago but it never gets old. |
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Who is the Real Father of Baseball?
Posted By: Dan Bretta
Doubleday really has no right to be considered with the company of Wright, Chadwick or Cartwright. There is no evidence at all that he had anything to do with baseball. |
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