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Old 11-29-2018, 09:32 AM
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Hi all - I have been collecting for 25 years. I have over 100 signed baseballs -vintage. I also collect astronaut, military, politics, celebrity, and vintage race car drivers. I have studied exemplars all these years and know the "fake" stuff. Or so I thought. I bought mantle, Williams and DiMagio single signed balls in the early 90's (pre operation bullpen, JSA or even PSA) when I lived in FL. Got from dealers at shows (with COAs, but that means little to me). I got burned on a Robinson and Cobb. James Spencer helped me....and he had to study them and even get other experts. In the end they had to say no. Bummer - but he is an A+ guy to work with.
So back to these balls. They look darn good to me, but PSA at a show did a free look and said no. I must be missing the signs of what makes them think they are fake. Of course, these 3 are often faked, so I was hoping somebody on the board here could take a quick look at photos and let me know thoughts. It's ok if they are fake...I would like to know why since I thought I knew them pretty well. I thank you so much...it has bugged me for years ;-(. Casey
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Old 11-29-2018, 09:33 AM
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0 for 3.

Sorry.
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Old 11-29-2018, 09:39 AM
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What are the signs they are fake?
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Old 11-29-2018, 10:26 AM
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Banana M's
Open A's in Williams
Joe d is just bad
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I agree. Those are no good.
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What are the signs they are fake?
They are common mass-produced cookie cutter forgery styles.
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Many thanks!! I will mark them and let the dogs play with them. I got 25 years of enjoying thinking they were real :-). Never planned to sell them anyway. Now...off to find real Mantle - maybe just a pic this time. See some on eBay I like.
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Banana M's
Open A's in Williams
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Aren't most autographs of Mantle's M's banana looking? I see PSA pics on eBay that seem that way to me. Perhaps I misunderstand what you mean by banana?
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Aren't most autographs of Mantle's M's banana looking? I see PSA pics on eBay that seem that way to me. Perhaps I misunderstand what you mean by banana?
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Yes...to a degree. The one we label bananas just seem to be more exaggerated like these are. Some are even worse.

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Open d and open a on the williams Never good. Mantle you just have to look at real ones and you will figure it out. The Dimaggio the same thing.
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I've seen you guys post numerous times on the open d & open a. I see many authentic exemplars where the d is quite literally closed with an overlap, but I see many others I felt were authentic where the d is just shy of closing the loop like the one below. Is this the kind of d that causes concern or is it generally a bit more blatant than this? Thanks for the education!
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Closed "d" or not, I do not believe this one is authentic.
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Old 11-30-2018, 10:11 AM
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Closed "d" or not, I do not believe this one is authentic.
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That one looks like it took 45 minutes to pen it.
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Darn it, just when I was starting to think I knew what I was doing! Back to the drawing board. Tough hobby to figure out. Thanks gentlemen, I appreciate your feedback.
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Darn it, just when I was starting to think I knew what I was doing! Back to the drawing board. Tough hobby to figure out. Thanks gentlemen, I appreciate your feedback.
Here is a little hint on the Williams. Williams can be tough to nail down, but I have found the fakes often have a "too smooth and neat" look, whereas authentic examples have a more herky jerky messy feel.

The Williams you have shown... that style seems to have a soft loopy "lli"... once it "clicks" for you, it sticks out like a sore thumb.
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Darn it, just when I was starting to think I knew what I was doing! Back to the drawing board. Tough hobby to figure out. Thanks gentlemen, I appreciate your feedback.
Your Ted ball is authentic.
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