T206 Reference / Reflections.....Tuesday Nite Trivia

[RCMcKenzie]

Ted, here's an article I read that suggests that there are 57 known, and most of them are SC 150/25. I don't know as I've never really studied this card. I've thought of owning a 52 Mantle or a 33 Lajoie, but never thought I'd own a T206 Wagner...Rob

http://www.cardboardconnection.com/c...6-honus-wagner

[tedzan]

Originally Posted by RCMcKenzie

Ted, here's an article I read that suggests that there are 57 known, and most of them are SC 150/25. I don't know as I've never really studied this card. I've thought of owning a 52 Mantle or a 33 Lajoie, but never thought I'd own a T206 Wagner...Rob

http://www.cardboardconnection.com/c...6-honus-wagner

Hi Rob

Thanks for the link to that article. However, what is the numerical breakdown between SC 150/25 and SC 150/30 ? His "most of them are SC 150/25" doesn't really tell us this.
I'm not trying to be "difficult"....it's just that I have seen this breakdown regarding the Plank SC 150 cards and if I recall correctly there are a fair number of Factory #30 backs
in that population.
We do know that Wagner and Plank were on the same sheet when the 150 Series cards were printed and issued. Therefore, I would expect a corresponding breakdown with the
Wagner and Plank cards.


TED Z
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[steve B]

Originally Posted by tedzan

Hi Rob

Thanks for the link to that article. However, what is the numerical breakdown between SC 150/25 and SC 150/30 ? His "most of them are SC 150/25" doesn't really tell us this.
I'm not trying to be "difficult"....it's just that I have seen this breakdown regarding the Plank SC 150 cards and if I recall correctly there are a fair number of Factory #30 backs
in that population.
We do know that Wagner and Plank were on the same sheet when the 150 Series cards were printed and issued. Therefore, I would expect a corresponding breakdown with the
Wagner and Plank cards.


TED Z
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Which makes another puzzle. If they really were on the same sheet, Plank and Wagner should be roughly equally uncommon. Yet there are about double the number of Planks. (75 to 35 for PSA, and the grade distribution is also different. )

Call me contrary, but I think they were on different sheets, both sheets being subject to some misfortune in having to be pulled from production.
Considering how there are small differences between series, and even occasionally within a series, I suspect there are "commons" with specific identifiers that are just as uncommon as a Wagner or Plank.

[ctownboy]

Steve,

According to Ted's theory, not only should there be about the same number of Wagner's as there are Plank's, but if the gentleman DID take home sheets then there should ALSO be a number of Planks coming from the same location as the Wagners, shouldn't there?

David

[tedzan]

Originally Posted by ctownboy

Steve,

According to Ted's theory, not only should there be about the same number of Wagner's as there are Plank's, but if the gentleman DID take home sheets then there should ALSO be a number of Planks coming from the same location as the Wagners, shouldn't there?

David

David

There are about the same number of PIEDMONT 150 Plank's as there are PIEDMONT 150 Wagner's. But, we only know of the origin of the Gretzky Wagner and the Conlon Plank.

PSA = 1 Plank.....No Wagner's (why NO famous PSA 8, and why NO one (or 2) "A" graded cards in PSA's pop report ? ?
SGC = 2 Plank's.....No Wagner's


And, who knows....only the MONSTER knows
Perhaps, more of these PIEDMONT 150 Wagner's and Plank's will eventually be discovered.


TED Z
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[tedzan]

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Rob

Your observation is accurate regarding the Wagner SWEET CAP Factory #25 (and the Plank) cards are indeed more available than their SWEET CAP Factory #30 cards.
I should know this because it took me many years to find this SWEET CAP 150 Factory #30 card of Plank to complete my all - SWEET CAPORAL Factory #30 set.

A fair number of SWEET CAP 350, Factory #30 cards were available, but those cards have a "washed-out" appearance. Besides, I have arranged the cards in my T206
sets with respect to the Series they are in (150, 350, 460, etc.); therefore, Plank is placed in the 150 Series. Furthermore, this card was certainly more affordable.


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TED Z
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[RCMcKenzie]

Great Plank, Ted. The Monster can be confounding at times. Although it is generally thought that the SC150/25 back is more difficult across the board, in the case of Wagner and Plank, it is the SC150/30 that is relatively difficult to find.

On a side note, I've been looking at the T206 Magie portrait. Although the error is only found with a Piedmont 150 back, the correct version Magee actually has a lower PSA pop number with the Piedmont 150 back, (Magie 82 graded, Magee 69 graded) I may try to get the Magee Piedmont 150 first, and next I'll try and tackle the Magie...Rob

[RCMcKenzie]

Steve, Plank is also found with a 350 back from what I've read. I've seen estimates that there are about twice as many known Planks, counting all the backs.

Ted, I thought I had seen a site that breaks down all of the known backs, but there is not one that I could find. There's a site that lists the fairly recent sales with nicknames for the cards and grades, like Chesapeake Wagner, Oceanside Wagner, Nun's Wagner, etc.

PSA's pop is not very helpful. They show zero Piedmonts graded, 15 SC, but only 6 cards are broken down as 4 SC 150/25 and 2 SC 150/30. I'm surprised to learn that the back breakdowns are not publicly known. Rob

[RCMcKenzie]

Here are the PSA pops from PSA for Plank.. 1 Piedmont 150 graded "A" presumably handcut like the Piedmont Wagner's. SC 150/25 none graded. SC 150/30 3 graded. SC 350/30 13 graded.

I think the assumption is that the production numbers for sc 150 Wagners and Planks are about the same. Again, I'm surprised all of this data is not already widely known. Maybe people that own these cards can chime in with their backs and factory numbers. Rob

[tedzan]

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Originally Posted by RCMcKenzie

Steve, Plank is also found with a 350 back from what I've read. I've seen estimates that there are about twice as many known Planks, counting all the backs.

Ted, I thought I had seen a site that breaks down all of the known backs, but there is not one that I could find. There's a site that lists the fairly recent sales with nicknames for the cards and grades, like Chesapeake Wagner, Oceanside Wagner, Nun's Wagner, etc.

PSA's pop is not very helpful. They show zero Piedmonts graded, 15 SC, but only 6 cards are broken down as 4 SC 150/25 and 2 SC 150/30. I'm surprised to learn that the back breakdowns are not publicly known. Rob

Rob

It's really strange that the most heralded card in the hobby doesn't have an accurate accounting of it. And, you are correct, the PSA pop report does not even have the famous
PIEDMONT 150 Wagner PSA 8 listed. In fact, they have No PIEDMONT 150 Wagner's listed. Not in the pop report that I have a link of. And, I know of at least two additional
Wagner cards with PIEDMONT 150 backs.

Every single Wagner card in the hobby (both PIEDMONT and SWEET CAPORAL) should be well documented.


TED Z
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