T206 Broad Leaf 460 and Red HINDU "twins"

[JerryTotino]

Ted,

To expand on your BL460 "no print" theory for cards not having a confirmed Uzit and/or AB460 B/F combo I noticed that a very large majority (over 83%) of the confirmed BL460's are cards which are also confirmed with a Red Hindu back. I am only referring to Red Hindu cards which are part of the 350/460 series with the exception of the 460-only Kleinow (Boston). As you have already pointed out the Kleinow (Boston) breaks the standard back rules.

In all the cases where a confirmed BL460 back does exist with a Uzit and/or AB460 back the player also has a confirmed Red Hindu:

Baker - Confirmed with AB460 and Red Hindu
Burch (Fielding) - Confirmed with Uzit, AB460 and Red Hindu
Cobb (Red Portrait) - Confirmed with Uzit and Red Hindu
Downey (Bat) - Confirmed with Uzit and Red Hindu
Elberfeld (Fielding) - Confirmed with AB460 and Red Hindu
O'Leary (Hands on knees) - Confirmed with AB460 and Red Hindu
Seymour (Throwing) - Confirmed with Uzit and Red Hindu
Snodgrass (Fielding) - Confirmed with AB460 and Red Hindu

Of the remaining 21 confirmed BL460 subjects which do not exist with either the AB460 or Uzit all except for 5 have been confirmed with a Red Hindu back. These 5 subjects are listed below:

Dougherty (Arm in air)
Mathewson (Dark cap)
McIntyre (Brooklyn & Chicago)
Murphy (Batting)
Rucker (Throwing)

Based on these observations it appears that Red Hindu seems to be tied closely to the BL460 back. 24 of the 29 confirmed BL460's are also confirmed with a Red Hindu back. Assuming this theory to be correct then there is a possibility the 5 players above may be confirmed with a Red Hindu back at some point.

In addition, extending this theory to the remaining "super-prints" and remaining confirmed 350/460 series Red Hindu's the following cards may also be found with BL460 at some point:

Bender (No trees)
Chase (Blue Portrait)
Chase (Dark Cap)
Cobb (Bat off) - As noted this might exist, but waiting for additional confirmation
Donlin (Bat)
Magee (Bat)
Manning (Pitch)
Pfeister (Throwing)
Wagner (Bat/Right)

Any thoughts are appreciated.

Jerry

[tedzan]

Jerry

Great observation regarding the possible connection of BL 460 and Red HINDU cards. And, of course this only
applies to cards in the 350/460 series (BL 460 backs only exist in this series).

While I was putting together my AMERICAN BEAUTY 460 sub-set, I observed this BL 460/RH linkage. By virtue
of the fact that AB 460 and Red HINDU cards are mutually exclusive. So, I'm glad that you, too, have noticed
the BL 460/RH connection.

Now pardon me, but I have to correct you on the following back data......

Baker...........has not been confirmed with AB 460
Cobb............has not been confirmed with Red HINDU
Elberfeld........has not been confirmed with AB 460
O'Leary.........has not been confirmed with AB 460
Snodgrass.....has not been confirmed with AB 460

My research on these 5 cards is reflected on the most current super-set spreadsheet.

Thanks for posting this very meaningful info regarding the BL 460 cards; and, I hope we can further this discussion.

TED Z

[cfc1909]

I don't think Cobb red portrait has been confirmed with Uzit-I don't think it exist with Uzit or red Hindu-but that is just my opinion

[JerryTotino]

Ted,

Thank you for the AB460 back corrections.

I was using an older version of Bill's file.


Jerry

[tedzan]

Jerry

The current version of the super-set has 4800+ inputs. My guess is that 99.6 % of the input data on this spreadsheet is accurate.
That is an amazingly high percentage of accuracy.

When I was doing research on the "interplay" between AB 460, BL 460, Red HINDU, LENOX, and UZIT backed cards, I noticed that
certain combos on the super-set just didn't jive. I contacted the collectors who provided those questionable inputs. It turned out
that they were mistaken inputs.

Incidently, the 6 super-prints (Chance, both Chase's, Red Cobb, Evers and Matty) were never printed with UZIT backs.


TED Z

[tedzan]

Jerry

Regarding this comment of yours, with respect to this Cobb and the Red HINDU back........

" Cobb (Bat off) - As noted this might exist, but waiting for additional confirmation "


First, this Cobb will not be found with a Red HINDU back. Furthermore, I do not think this Cobb
was printed with a Broad Leaf 460 back. This is not just my opinion. Long-time Cobb collectors
have informed me of this fact.


TED Z

[tedzan]

If my predictions in Post #11 prove to be correct, then there's a good chance that I may find Chance
with a BL 460 back. And perhaps, it will be nicer than my BL 350 card of him. But, I'm not fussy, I will
take a BROAD LEAF 460 card in any condition.





TED Z