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Old 04-17-2017, 11:22 AM
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Have any of you seen instances where there are two programs for the same game? Just came across two (sets) of 1952/1953 LA Rams programs from the same game with a different cover. Did this happen often?






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Old 04-17-2017, 08:15 PM
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Scotty- This very common and I have found tons of examples especially from the 1946-65 era in both the NFL and college football.

The Rams are the most prevalent that I have seen in the NFL. I collect programs from all of the Arkansas colleges large and small and see this quite often. The teams/schools ordered their covers from of several design companies by quantity say 5,000 at a time on up. The same thing on their center line-up pages which usually were bought very cheap based on advertising; Coca Cola, Chesterfield, etc.. On the collegiate level this leads you to find the same cover for consecutive games quite often.

The teams would have left over covers that they would add to the printing run for the next game.

When I was SID at a D-2 school I never bought covers since I liked having a local feel. I would however I did buy 16 page inserts covering college football to make the program thicker and to give buyers reading material. I used Touchdown Publications in San Francisco and they charged about 8 cents per insert. They were heavy in ads from car manufacturers and RCA, etc. You could but alcohol or non-alcohol inserts.

One year the SID from our rival which was directly across the street from us called me late one afternoon in a panic. He had taken the insert package to the local printer for binding. When they arrived he found a quarter page ad for a Las Vegas casino. No problem on my side of the street but he worked for a Southern Baptist school so the ad was a no-no. We spent the evening together pasting a hastily printed season schedule over the ad so that the program could be used the next day!
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Great info and story, Mike!
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Scotty- This very common and I have found tons of examples especially from the 1946-65 era in both the NFL and college football.

The Rams are the most prevalent that I have seen in the NFL. I collect programs from all of the Arkansas colleges large and small and see this quite often. The teams/schools ordered their covers from of several design companies by quantity say 5,000 at a time on up. The same thing on their center line-up pages which usually were bought very cheap based on advertising; Coca Cola, Chesterfield, etc.. On the collegiate level this leads you to find the same cover for consecutive games quite often.

The teams would have left over covers that they would add to the printing run for the next game.

When I was SID at a D-2 school I never bought covers since I liked having a local feel. I would however I did buy 16 page inserts covering college football to make the program thicker and to give buyers reading material. I used Touchdown Publications in San Francisco and they charged about 8 cents per insert. They were heavy in ads from car manufacturers and RCA, etc. You could but alcohol or non-alcohol inserts.

One year the SID from our rival which was directly across the street from us called me late one afternoon in a panic. He had taken the insert package to the local printer for binding. When they arrived he found a quarter page ad for a Las Vegas casino. No problem on my side of the street but he worked for a Southern Baptist school so the ad was a no-no. We spent the evening together pasting a hastily printed season schedule over the ad so that the program could be used the next day!
Excellent information. Thanks.
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Very cool to learn how these things were put together. Thanks
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Scotty- This very common and I have found tons of examples especially from the 1946-65 era in both the NFL and college football.

The Rams are the most prevalent that I have seen in the NFL. I collect programs from all of the Arkansas colleges large and small and see this quite often. The teams/schools ordered their covers from of several design companies by quantity say 5,000 at a time on up. The same thing on their center line-up pages which usually were bought very cheap based on advertising; Coca Cola, Chesterfield, etc.. On the collegiate level this leads you to find the same cover for consecutive games quite often.

The teams would have left over covers that they would add to the printing run for the next game.

When I was SID at a D-2 school I never bought covers since I liked having a local feel. I would however I did buy 16 page inserts covering college football to make the program thicker and to give buyers reading material. I used Touchdown Publications in San Francisco and they charged about 8 cents per insert. They were heavy in ads from car manufacturers and RCA, etc. You could but alcohol or non-alcohol inserts.

One year the SID from our rival which was directly across the street from us called me late one afternoon in a panic. He had taken the insert package to the local printer for binding. When they arrived he found a quarter page ad for a Las Vegas casino. No problem on my side of the street but he worked for a Southern Baptist school so the ad was a no-no. We spent the evening together pasting a hastily printed season schedule over the ad so that the program could be used the next day!
Great information Mike, thank you. I'll keep that in mind as I piece programs together.

If you don't mind me asking, what school were you with?

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I was the SID at Henderson State University in Arkadelphia, Arkansas. The home of the Reddies. We were actually in the NAIA during my years 1978-89 but now they are in the NCAA Division II as members of the Great American Conference which is made of schools from Arkansas and Oklahoma.

Directly across the street is Ouachita Baptist University, we actually call it "on the other side of the ravine. It makes for a wild rivalry, the two stadiums sit opposite of each other and for some crazy reason the conference now schedules home games for the two schools on the same day. OBU kicks off at 1:00 so I can go catch the first half and then go across the street to see HSU play at their 3:00 kickoff. While my daughter was at the University of Central Arkansas in Conway about two hours away I could leave the Henderson game at the half and meet her there, I have seen quite a few triple headers.

When the two schools meet on the final day of the season it is quite a sight to see. When Henderson goes across the "ravine" as they will do this November, the State Police block off the road with lights flashing while the Reddie band and cheerleaders play the fight song as the players trail behind walking from to the game. The Henderson fight song Give Me that Old Reddie Spirit is to the tune of Give Me that Old Time Religion as Henderson was a Methodist school up until 1928. The OBU fight song is May the Circle Be Unbroken. During the game it often sounds like a revival meeting other than the ferocity that the two teams play with on that day. Those games attract well over 10,000 fans for two small schools, HSU has 3,500 students while OBU has 1,800.

Henderson's most famous football grad is Roy Green who played both ways for St. Louis in the late 70's and 80's while Ouachita proudly has Cliff Harris or "Captain Crash" of the Dallas Cowboys.

When I was at HSU we were in the Arkansas Intercollegiate Conference which had such colorful nicknames as the Arkansas Tech Wonder Boys (where I played briefly), the Muleriders of Southern Arkansas University and the Boll Weevils of UA-Monticello. Also the Harding University Bisons, yes with an "s", don't really know why??

The SEC and D-I football in general is fantastic but I also love the small schools. I traveled to Conway a few years ago to see Hendrix College play their first game since 1960 and to Batesville the next year to see Lyons college play their first game since 1951.

Sorry to be so long on this post.
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There were 2 different covers for the NFL championship game in 1955 as well.

I don't know about anyone else, but this description makes me want to go this game every year!


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I was the SID at Henderson State University in Arkadelphia, Arkansas. The home of the Reddies. We were actually in the NAIA during my years 1978-89 but now they are in the NCAA Division II as members of the Great American Conference which is made of schools from Arkansas and Oklahoma.

Directly across the street is Ouachita Baptist University, we actually call it "on the other side of the ravine. It makes for a wild rivalry, the two stadiums sit opposite of each other and for some crazy reason the conference now schedules home games for the two schools on the same day. OBU kicks off at 1:00 so I can go catch the first half and then go across the street to see HSU play at their 3:00 kickoff. While my daughter was at the University of Central Arkansas in Conway about two hours away I could leave the Henderson game at the half and meet her there, I have seen quite a few triple headers.

When the two schools meet on the final day of the season it is quite a sight to see. When Henderson goes across the "ravine" as they will do this November, the State Police block off the road with lights flashing while the Reddie band and cheerleaders play the fight song as the players trail behind walking from to the game. The Henderson fight song Give Me that Old Reddie Spirit is to the tune of Give Me that Old Time Religion as Henderson was a Methodist school up until 1928. The OBU fight song is May the Circle Be Unbroken. During the game it often sounds like a revival meeting other than the ferocity that the two teams play with on that day. Those games attract well over 10,000 fans for two small schools, HSU has 3,500 students while OBU has 1,800.

Henderson's most famous football grad is Roy Green who played both ways for St. Louis in the late 70's and 80's while Ouachita proudly has Cliff Harris or "Captain Crash" of the Dallas Cowboys.

When I was at HSU we were in the Arkansas Intercollegiate Conference which had such colorful nicknames as the Arkansas Tech Wonder Boys (where I played briefly), the Muleriders of Southern Arkansas University and the Boll Weevils of UA-Monticello. Also the Harding University Bisons, yes with an "s", don't really know why??

The SEC and D-I football in general is fantastic but I also love the small schools. I traveled to Conway a few years ago to see Hendrix College play their first game since 1960 and to Batesville the next year to see Lyons college play their first game since 1951.

Sorry to be so long on this post.
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The 1956 nba finals in Philadelphia have multiple covers. I have owned 2 different and seen 3 different covers for the Final game.
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I am pretty sure Uncle Sam will have to undergo concussion protocol.
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