The Leon Luckey Type Card Collection – Bidding Ends on Thursday - August 13, 2015

[ZachS]

I did not get charged sales tax (LA). Shipping for my one item was $17 but I figured it would be a little more because of it being an uncut strip of cards (fairly long).

There is actually a breakdown of all shipping charges on their site - http://sports.ha.com/c/shipping.zx

My item was:

Up to $99 is $5.15 (base service)

In the item description it tells you what type of additional requirements there are to ship:

Trading Card Set or Notebook, Large is $12.10 first item + $4.85 per additional item

So mine was $5.15 (base) + $12.10 (additional) = $17.25 (exactly what I was charged for shipping)

[Leon]

Just curious what the value of the 3 cards is? And thanks for the bids and wins too!!

Originally Posted by Jaybird

3 cards, $40.65. They also have a great workaround for California law. They are not allowed to charge tax on Shipping charges here so they state it as "service and handling" to avoid the law. Just to squeeze a couple more dollars out. Nice!

[the-illini]

Originally Posted by Leon

Just curious what the value of the 3 cards is?

I bid $190 for one card and won. with BP $227

Shipping was $19.30 and sales tax was 22.68 (I live in the same state as Tim - no Heritage office in Illinois) for an additional $41.98 in fees. Considering I have to wait 7-14 days to get my card, that is ridiculous.

[x2drich2000]

Originally Posted by ZachS

I did not get charged sales tax (LA). Shipping for my one item was $17 but I figured it would be a little more because of it being an uncut strip of cards (fairly long).

There is actually a breakdown of all shipping charges on their site - http://sports.ha.com/c/shipping.zx

My item was:

Up to $99 is $5.15 (base service)

In the item description it tells you what type of additional requirements there are to ship:

Trading Card Set or Notebook, Large is $12.10 first item + $4.85 per additional item

So mine was $5.15 (base) + $12.10 (additional) = $17.25 (exactly what I was charged for shipping)

That's fine, and I actually really like that they are willing to put the estimated shipping in writing, which I think all auction houses should, but a single graded card falls under their category "Trading Card Set or Notebook, Large" at $12.10 extra? If that's the case, what items would fall under "Trading Card Set, Medium $4.85 first item + $1.30 per additional item" or "Trading Card Set, Small $1.30 first item + $0.70 per additional item" or better yet "Sportscard $1.30 first item + $0.45 per additional item"?

[darwinbulldog]

Winning bids (2 lots): $510.00
Invoice total: $676.01

That works out to 33% for the buyer's premium + sales tax + shipping + handling. Mind you, I fully accept the buyer's premium and the sales tax, but they're still charging me about $35 more to ship something that I'd put in a small flat rate priority box for $5.95. The penny at the end is just adding insult to injury.

[unamuzd1]

I won one card (the Tango Eggs Jennings, which is probably now the prettiest card in my collection despite its technical grade!), and had misread the shipping information. I hadn't realized that steps 2 and 3 got added together to get to a $19.30 shipping charge for one card.

I'm still unclear why a single graded card counts as "Trading card set or notebook, large" rather than "Trading card set, medium" which would be $7.50 cheaper. The paranoid part of me thinks it's because Heritage added a free book to my order, which would make the entire package much larger than the one graded card and potentially more notebook-sized. It also makes the book not all that "free."

Congrats on the successful auction, Leon! I suspect that some of the grousing about things like shipping etc. is because your amazing collection attracted a lot of us who had bid in very few auctions outside of eBay in the past (I won my first non-eBay item earlier this month...), and just got a few little surprises on the back end. =)

Morrie

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by the-illini

I bid $190 for one card and won. with BP $227

Shipping was $19.30 and sales tax was 22.68 (I live in the same state as Tim - no Heritage office in Illinois) for an additional $41.98 in fees. Considering I have to wait 7-14 days to get my card, that is ridiculous.

I found this in a quick search.

Effective June 1st, Heritage will be required by state law to charge all applicable sales taxes on any items delivered to Illinois addresses other than sales to dealers with valid Illinois sales tax numbers who are purchasing for resale and who furnish us with a properly completed Illinois resale certificate (exempt purchasers may furnish us with properly completed Illinois exemption certificates). NO sales tax is due for US Coins & Currency and World Coins & Currency. Please see paragraph #25 in our Terms and Conditions for more complete information.

Sincerely,

Heritage Client Services
3500 Maple Ave. 17th Floor
Dallas, TX 75219-3941
Bid@HA.com
1-800-872-6467

[the-illini]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

I found this in a quick search.

Effective June 1st, Heritage will be required by state law to charge all applicable sales taxes on any items delivered to Illinois addresses other than sales to dealers with valid Illinois sales tax numbers who are purchasing for resale and who furnish us with a properly completed Illinois resale certificate (exempt purchasers may furnish us with properly completed Illinois exemption certificates). NO sales tax is due for US Coins & Currency and World Coins & Currency. Please see paragraph #25 in our Terms and Conditions for more complete information.

Sincerely,

Heritage Client Services
3500 Maple Ave. 17th Floor
Dallas, TX 75219-3941
Bid@HA.com
1-800-872-6467

Thanks for posting that Peter - explains the tax for me anyhow.

[Jeffrompa]

One of the reasons we moved to Delaware . T A X E S .

[shammus]

Regarding the shipping...it seems that this issue has come up more than once before. Seems that last time, we wrote Pete Calderon and he resolved the shipping stuff for us.

In case you're wondering, my shipping total is $83.65....heh...so I'm sure something can be worked out. Don't they usually botch the invoices at first before fixing them all within a day or two?

[timn1]

well, that's a drag. Paragraph 25 gives no more info. I wonder what exactly what is the requirement that requires Illinois sales tax to be collected.

[Rob D.]

Looks like the buyer(s) of the T206 Mathewson proof ($35,850) and T206 Mullaney-Cy Young multi-strike ($19,120) will make a nice profit flipping them. From a post this past April:

Originally Posted by mrvster

leon's matty proof could go 100 k + easy imho....or his multi strike....

R0b D3w0lf

[Michael Peich]

That's easy, Tim--the state is corrupt, just like Pennsylvania!

Cheers, Mike

[pencil1974]

From what I was told they opened an office in Illinois. I had asked during the May auction when I got an email that said they would be charging sales tax after I think its the June 1 date.

[Leon]

*** There was a systematic problem with the invoicing. IF you guys look at the items for sale. Pick any single card item (or I think any item), It will say, below the description...

"Trading Card Set or Notebook, Large"

Their system charged all items based on that charge. So they are redoing all of the invoices for corrected shipping UNLESS your item was actually a Trading Card set or Notebook Large. If you had an item that fit that description then you got shipping charges added correctly per the system. If you were billed correctly and are still not happy, please email Chris Ivy about it.- civy@ha.com

If you paid your invoice they will credit you for any overpayment on shipping. They are working on it right this minute. Sorry for the issues too...


As for charging tax on shipping that is being looked into. I can virtually guarantee that Heritage is going by the book on taxes and the way they are collecting and paid. Now, they could always make a human mistake but otherwise I would be quite surprised if there is a sales tax issue.

[unamuzd1]

Originally Posted by Leon

*** There was a systematic problem with the invoicing. IF you guys look at the items for sale. Pick any single card item (or I think any item), It will say, below the description...

"Trading Card Set or Notebook, Large"

Their system charged all items based on that charge. So they are redoing all of the invoices for corrected shipping UNLESS your item was actually a Trading Card set or Notebook Large. If you had an item that fit that description then you got shipping charges added correctly per the system. If you were billed correctly and are still not happy, please email Chris Ivy about it.- civy@ha.com

If you paid your invoice they will credit you for any overpayment on shipping. They are working on it right this minute. Sorry for the issues too...

Thank you, Leon. The auction was a lot of fun to watch and participate in, and I suspect they will be a lot more likely to get repeat business from their first-timers based on a willingness to deal with the shipping issue so quickly.

[TATSR]

To be fair, whenever I'm out of packing supplies, I win an auction at Heritage. A single card will come wrapped in about $50 worth of bubble wrap and at least a couple of envelopes.

[Michael Peich]

"To be fair, whenever I'm out of packing supplies, I win an auction at Heritage. A single card will come wrapped in about $50 worth of bubble wrap and at least a couple of envelopes."

+1

Cheers, Mike

[Gradedcardman]

Johnny is a great guy and loves his scrap...HOWEVER his estimates I have to take with a grain or 2 of salt

Originally Posted by Rob D.

Looks like the buyer(s) of the T206 Mathewson proof ($35,850) and T206 Mullaney-Cy Young multi-strike ($19,120) will make a nice profit flipping them. From a post this past April:



R0b D3w0lf

[obcbobd]

Leon

Did you sell your quarter?

Congratulations!

Bob

[ls7plus]

Congratulations, Leon, on the total gross and net. I won the only lot I bid on--the 1929 Leader Novelty Mel Ott, and am very glad to have it!

The auction was an amazing thing to have done--best wishes on your future collecting endeavors,

Larry

[Econteachert205]

I missed my mark on the McGraw t205 scrap, but it was still a fun auction to watch.

[Sophiedog]

Originally Posted by obcbobd

Leon

Did you sell your quarter?

Congratulations!

Bob

Hahaha....Maybe he did; I saw he was using a half dollar the other day

[oldjudge]

The guys at Heritage typically do a great job. I just got an email stating that some of the shipping charges were incorrect, and they are being corrected now.

[mrvster]

I bet the winner of both pieces was jumping for joy!

they got both pieces AT A DISCOUNT to say the least....

I estimated with many friends, in this venue 40k-60 k, with the buyer environment....on matty....

I estimated the rosetta getting 30 k plus in this venue....all depends if a few whales joined the frivolity, and I know for a fact a HUGE ONE chose not to participate

these 2 pieces went CHEAP even in this venue....

there were a few certain individuals who did not bid.....if they joined the pool, prices would have been at least 30 % higher or more in this venue....maybe not 100k on the multi strike , but 30- 50 k would have not been out of the question......Matty prob went to Keith....and if it did, he got a GREAT piece....and is one of the very elite to truly understand a "type 1 " design change proof.....

hate to say ROB D- in REA these 2 pieces would have done much better.....so, you know it.....100 k with another bidder would not have been out of the question on Matty at least, with the multi at least 30 k and sky the limit .......

THANK GOD! LEON reinstated you...............gives me someone to pick on






so, winner bidder got a STEAL ON BOTH!!!!


two major notes here.....

1)winning bidder needs to resubmit the multi and have "brown om stike" added....this will def add value to the card....

2) no one "really" understands yet what a design change proof really is and the significance of them......t206 "proto types"..... more to come in the future...



Rob, you should EDUCATE.....not EVALUATE so much



if you ever see these again at auction, they will be at least double of what they just sold for.....and you can quote me on that..........give it a year or 2 to marinate........these cards are exponentially appreciating like Wagz

[Koufax32fan]

Here are pictures of the lots that I won (but missed out on others, including the Zeenuts of Mensor and Bohne).

I did receive an email from HA that the shipping was incorrectly calculated - as calculated was $24.15, but should have been $6.45; I am sure I will get the refund. The lots I won each went for less than $100 without premium, so as a percentage the difference is big even though the dollars are not.

I am very pleased to add a small part of Leon's collection to mine. I bid on the supplements lot mostly for the Greenberg and the Cobb, so if there is something else in there that someone else really wanted let me know and I am sure we can work out a trade.

[oldjudge]

"I bet the winner of both pieces was jumping for joy!

they got both pieces AT A DISCOUNT to say the least....

I estimated with many friends, in this venue 40k-60 k, with the buyer environment....on matty....

I estimated the rosetta getting 30 k plus in this venue....all depends if a few whales joined the frivolity, and I know for a fact a HUGE ONE chose not to participate

these 2 pieces went CHEAP even in this venue....

there were a few certain individuals who did not bid.....if they joined the pool, prices would have been at least 30 % higher or more in this venue....maybe not 100k on the multi strike , but 30- 50 k would have not been out of the question......Matty prob went to Keith....and if it did, he got a GREAT piece....and is one of the very elite to truly understand a "type 1 " design change proof.....

hate to say ROB D- in REA these 2 pieces would have done much better.....so, you know it.....100 k with another bidder would not have been out of the question on Matty at least, with the multi at least 30 k and sky the limit .......

THANK GOD! LEON reinstated you...............gives me someone to pick on






so, winner bidder got a STEAL ON BOTH!!!!


two major notes here.....

1)winning bidder needs to resubmit the multi and have "brown om stike" added....this will def add value to the card....

2) no one "really" understands yet what a design change proof really is and the significance of them......t206 "proto types"..... more to come in the future...



Rob, you should EDUCATE.....not EVALUATE so much



if you ever see these again at auction, they will be at least double of what they just sold for.....and you can quote me on that..........give it a year or 2 to marinate........these cards are exponentially appreciating like Wagz"



LOL--it's always easy to say things go too cheap when you are not spending your own money. Heritage accesses everyone in the hobby; the items sold for what they were worth. If I had to guess, and it is no more than a guess, I would say that the Matty proof could appreciate in the future. The printers scrap piece, I believe, is just a curiosity piece that happens to be hot now. In other areas, like '48 Leaf cards, similar printers scrap pieces, even dramatic ones, do not carry significant value. I would guess that T206 scrap pieces depreciate in value in the future. This is not meant to start a debate, just one person's view.

[Rob D.]

Originally Posted by mrvster

Blah blah blah

Or, more likely, you often are clueless -- or at the very least overly optimistic -- when assigning realistic value to these types of cards (specifically, scrap and the like). Maybe because you'd like to see them be worth more than they are? Because you own cards of this type?

It just always seems like you have to explain how often these types of cards sell at "bargain" prices. They'll always sell for more -- you predict -- down the road.

I know, I know ... you and a handful of collectors are the only ones "smart" enough to realize the "true" value. The collectors who actually can afford to pay the actual selling prices just aren't as smart, apparently.

Edited to add: R0b Dew0lf

[calvindog]

Originally Posted by oldjudge

Heritage accesses everyone in the hobby; the items sold for what they were worth. If I had to guess, and it is no more than a guess, I would say that the Matty proof could appreciate in the future. The printers scrap piece, I believe, is just a curiosity piece that happens to be hot now.

I agree with this. I thought the Matty went a little cheap and the printers scrap piece went a bit high.

[calvindog]

Originally Posted by calvindog

$49.05 for two graded cards.

Just got my revised invoice; now $33.80 for the two graded cards.

[Michael Peich]

As long as we're on the subject of overstrikes, here are two of the three lots I won last evening. These two will fit in perfectly with my Southern minor league collection, especially T209-1.

Jeff-Just got my revised bill and it was for the same amount you were charged. I already sent my payment so I guess I'll be getting a big refund. Ha!

Cheers, Mike

[swarmee]

If anyone grabbed the nonsports proof sheet lot, contact me if you're willing to sell the T51 Colleges.

[SMPEP]

If anyone here grabbed the 1923 W572 lot, please pm me if you're willing to sell the card with the Metro Star on top.

Thanks,
Patrick

[Jaybird]

Originally Posted by calvindog

Just got my revised invoice; now $33.80 for the two graded cards.

Me too. $29.30 for 3 cards. And still circumventing California law by stating it as "Service and Handling" rather than "Shipping and Handling".

[oldjudge]

Jason--Are you saying that Heritage is collecting taxes that they do not pay, or that their system is paying more tax than it has to? I doubt the former is happening. If it is the latter, perhaps you could call their Dallas headquarters and discuss it with their financial people.

[T205Guy]

Leon,

I know that it had to be hard letting a collection like this go. So I just wanted to thank you as I have been coveting this card for a very loooong time! I also want to wish you the best of luck as you get started on your next collection...

Ed

[Jaybird]

Originally Posted by oldjudge

Jason--Are you saying that Heritage is collecting taxes that they do not pay, or that their system is paying more tax than it has to? I doubt the former is happening. If it is the latter, perhaps you could call their Dallas headquarters and discuss it with their financial people.

I have no idea what they are doing other than charging me tax on shipping. In California you aren't supposed to do that. But since they are calling it Service and not Shipping, they are charging the tax. Whatever they are doing with the money, I have no idea. I'm not saying it is illegal either. I'm just saying it is annoying and an example like my previous one where they use language to say whatever they want to say to get whatever they want. "Unique Back" "Service and Handling", etc.

"Mr. Miller,

Thank you for your email. The shipping charges are titled as service and handling and as this includes materials, handling and shipping charges it is taxable. You can go online and process the payment or I can process it for you manually at your request.
Please feel free to contact me with any further questions you might have.

Gary Fournerat
Auction Client/Bidder Services
HERITAGE AUCTIONS
800-872-6467 | Fax: 214-409-1425
3500 Maple Ave. 17th Floor, Dallas, TX 75219
www.HA.com "

[mrvster]

you are truly clueless! apparently, missed the boat on something good, or are TOO STUPID to even realize that you are your own worst, miserable enemy

good day douche

[Rob D.]

Originally Posted by mrvster

you are truly clueless! apparently, missed the boat on something good, or are TOO STUPID to even realize that you are your own worst, miserable enemy

good day douche

Predictable. Most people, faced with trying to rebut what I posted and realizing they can't (because it's spot on), would resort to name calling. I totally understand your position.

Edited to add: R0b Dew0lf

[oldjudge]

It sounds like the material and handling portion is taxible, and the postage portion is not. Since they do not break out the two, it sounds like they are just taking the most conservative posture vis a vis taxes and paying (and charging) taxes on all shipping charges. My sense is that Heritage does not want to go counter to tax guidelines and bends over backwards to make sure they are in compliance. At the end of the day, what are we talking about a few dollars extra in tax?

[mrvster]

I am so glad Leon reinstated you......your stupid sarcasm is tiresome....but keeps me entertained.....you are clueless with T206 and the set......it's on like donkey kong, time to make you look more stupid than you are .....

I love ignorance....I'm going to have fun with you....this smileys for you

[mrvster]

btw....the only person holding me back from going off on you is Brian W......he is the salt of the earth , and if you even were associated with him a shred, you could learn a thing or two about decency.....

Brian W.....I AM SORRY!

but I can't stanz no more!


the vster has had ENOUGH of hearing from ROB D'S stupid piehole!

[Rob D.]

Originally Posted by mrvster

I am so glad Leon reinstated you......your stupid sarcasm is tiresome....but keeps me entertained.....you are clueless with T206 and the set......it's on like donkey kong, time to make you look more stupid than you are .....

I love ignorance....I'm going to have fun with you....this smileys for you

Take pity on me, please. I feel overmatched. And feel free to recruit some help, assuming you can find some "friends" to return your calls or texts. (Oh, and if I can be of any help when you try to trade your scrap collection for a T206 Wagner, please let me know.)

Edited to add: R0b Dew0lf

[Jaybird]

Originally Posted by oldjudge

It sounds like the material and handling portion is taxible, and the postage portion is not. Since they do not break out the two, it sounds like they are just taking the most conservative posture vis a vis taxes and paying (and charging) taxes on all shipping charges. My sense is that Heritage does not want to go counter to tax guidelines and bends over backwards to make sure they are in compliance. At the end of the day, what are we talking about a few dollars extra in tax?

My problem is that it's always this way with Heritage. Bidding on their own items, hidden reserves, Description inaccuracies (lies), shipping and handling. It's a pattern. I bid with them so I feel like if I can give them my money, I can also point out what I don't like. This forum is the best and most public place to voice that because I don't get anywhere when I take it to them directly.

I certainly don't give a shit about a couple of bucks. So, if I'm willing to type 3 entries about it, it's not about the couple of bucks.

[mrvster]

genius RoB De douche..... please explain the design changes of type 1 and 2 scrap/ proofs......the proofers desig's deviations of each card......and the select few that fall into the group....and the correlation of each????????????



clueless

[mrvster]

scramble to find the answers.....

oh, btw....what sc 350 yellow brown 460 fact number are available????? how many subjects????? what's their correlation to sheet size???? series???

you are a genius with scrap


clueless

[mrvster]

all through scrap.....and you are truly Clueless Rob De Douche..

maybe we can chat and I will school you???? maybe in AC

[mrvster]

I would ask a moron for help ......smileys for you

[Rob D.]

Originally Posted by mrvster

genius RoB De douche..... please explain the design changes of type 1 and 2 scrap/ proofs......the proofers desig's deviations of each card......and the select few that fall into the group....and the correlation of each????????????



clueless

You should be able to find the answers to all of your T206 questions here. I reference this site quite a bit and am not ashamed to admit it:

http://t206resource.com/

(I can simplify the confusing verbiage for you.)

And if we're going to quiz each other, explain why it's important to properly punctuate and capitalize.

Edited to add: R0b Dew0lf

[mrvster]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I KNEW IT!!

idiot.....hide behind Tim and Jim......you are truly hmmmmmmmmmmmmm...

how do I punciate this?????


STOOOOOOPPPIDD????? did I spell this right????


HA!!

still can't answer the question IDIOT!!!!!!!!!

answers not there ROB