Do you care much about today's NFL?

[Kurri17]

An interesting question. I don't collect modern football, and just casually follow today's NFL with no real favorite team. I find myself watching games/highlights from the '70s on youtube as well as a few classic games I have picked up on DVD.

My lack of real interest in today's game has not dampened my interest in vintage football though. It seems collecting and watching has become more of a nostalgic experience.

[AFLfan]

I have LOVE the AFL, and collecting my signed card sets, but I haven't watched an NFL game in 5-6 seasons, and see no change to that coming in the near future.

I feel that the game has become so corporate that it has taken away any chance of spontaneous fun. Couple that with the insane pricing structure at games, the seemingly endless stream of players acting like hoodlums, and the fact that my Chargers left San Diego, and I have no more interest. Give me football history all day long, but keep your contemporary NFL. I don't want it.

[vintagebaseballcardguy]

Originally Posted by AFLfan

I have LOVE the AFL, and collecting my signed card sets, but I haven't watched an NFL game in 5-6 seasons, and see no change to that coming in the near future.

I feel that the game has become so corporate that it has taken away any chance of spontaneous fun. Couple that with the insane pricing structure at games, the seemingly endless stream of players acting like hoodlums, and the fact that my Chargers left San Diego, and I have no more interest. Give me football history all day long, but keep your contemporary NFL. I don't want it.

I can relate to much of what you said, especially the Chargers angle. I am 44 years old and started cheering for the San Diego Chargers at age 8. Despite the fact that I live in Arkansas, the move just sucked out most of the life my NFL fandom had left. I take refuge in the way football used to be through old cardboard and books.

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[silvor]

Originally Posted by AFLfan

I feel that the game has become so corporate that it has taken away any chance of spontaneous fun. Couple that with the insane pricing structure at games, the seemingly endless stream of players acting like hoodlums, and the fact that my Chargers left San Diego, and I have no more interest. Give me football history all day long, but keep your contemporary NFL. I don't want it.

I just saw the open to tonight's game with the video package with Carrie Underwood. It was so slick and over the top

But, EVERTYHING is supersize now. Houses, cars, youth sports. I could go on.

[jefferyepayne]

I collect vintage football because it reminds me of my youth and I love the history of the sport. I don't associate collecting with watching sports on TV as I don't collect modern things. In fact, I associate watching football much more with fantasy football! I think they are very much tied together now.

I do watch a lot of NFL games, though. Even thought it has changed considerably and there are certainly aspects of it that are less than desirable, when a great game is played (like yesterday's Pats / Steelers game), I still really enjoy it. Except for that bogus catch rule the NFL has that needs to be changed!

Plus I'm resisting the urge to become that old man shaking his fist at the sea. Things change in the world and older generations have been complaining about younger generations and their style/habits for thousands of years. I just don't get worked up about it.

jeff

[TanksAndSpartans]

Originally Posted by jefferyepayne

In fact, I associate watching football much more with fantasy football! I think they are very much tied together now.

Same as Jeff for me. Not sure if others have found this, but as I've gotten older with family commitments etc., I don't have that passion for a "favorite team" anymore. I'm finally in a fantasy leauge with some folks I know though and like monitoring my team for bragging rights

I don't think anything that could happen in today's NFL would diminish my interest in the history of the game, players who played for the love of it, weren't paid much, etc. Football can be a nice entertainment option for Fall/Winter weekends, but collecting, reading/writing about history is actually more flexible and can be done on a random Wednesday night in May as easily as a November Sunday afternoon.

[vintagebaseballcardguy]

Originally Posted by Kurri17

An interesting question. I don't collect modern football, and just casually follow today's NFL with no real favorite team. I find myself watching games/highlights from the '70s on youtube as well as a few classic games I have picked up on DVD.

My lack of real interest in today's game has not dampened my interest in vintage football though. It seems collecting and watching has become more of a nostalgic experience.

Your last paragraph personifies a big part of what motivated me to start this thread. I am really curious to see if this is the prevailing attitude among collectors. It has become that way for me as well. Thanks for your reply. What about everyone else?

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[kvnkvnkvn]

Figgity fuk, fuk and triple fuk the NFL...Shit is a straight up soap opera and they got dudes roped in like a mo fo...

Criminals hailed as gods, over sexaulized females advertised directly to our eyeballs, poisons peddled directly to our youth in 30 second increments, blatant blind patriotism conditioning the weak through every screen, stadiums burden cities, fans fight and kill each other, same shit, different year, different name.

And quite frankly I don't need to watch stage show monkeys do 3 pirouettes, 2 booty shakes and an arm extension every time they get a first down...

NFL is beneath me. 6ish games in 3 years, none this year and just committed to not watching the Super Bowl today...That's the biggest farce of it all...

[Leon]

Originally Posted by kvnkvnkvn

Figgity fuk, fuk and triple fuk the NFL...Shit is a straight up soap opera and they got dudes roped in like a mo fo...

Criminals hailed as gods, over sexaulized females advertised directly to our eyeballs, poisons peddled directly to our youth in 30 second increments, blatant blind patriotism conditioning the weak through every screen, stadiums burden cities, fans fight and kill each other, same shit, different year, different name.

And quite frankly I don't need to watch stage show monkeys do 3 pirouettes, 2 booty shakes and an arm extension every time they get a first down...

NFL is beneath me. 6ish games in 3 years, none this year and just committed to not watching the Super Bowl today...That's the biggest farce of it all...

LOL. I can't stand it either. I chastise my wife when she watches it. I hope it dies a sudden death but know it won't. Every single player that kneels during the National Anthem should have been permanently banned immediately. Let them get a job where they have to use their intelligence. My guess is most would stay unemployed. When I set up at the Philly Show I asked a few friends about the situation. They mostly felt the same way, but then they were veterans too. I honestly don't know why or how anyone watches those thugs any longer.

[cfhofer]

Great topic!

Yes, the current state of the NFL had a direct effect on my football collecting. For the last several years I have exclusively collected 19th century Ivy League football memorabilia. As many know, American Football began on those exclusive college campuses. The vast majority of student athletes played the game back then just to represent their alma mater. A robust and brawny body became an important part of the masculine ideal then and football exemplified this trait. The best athletes were also honorable men, who went on to become soldiers, doctors, lawyers, clergymen, congressmen and even President of the United States. These are the athletes worthy of my recognition and collecting focus. Football players today have nothing in common with those early pioneers.

[kvnkvnkvn]

Originally Posted by Leon

Every single player that kneels during the National Anthem should have been permanently banned immediately. Let them get a job where they have to use their intelligence.

Although, I used Leon's quote to start this off, this ain't directed at him. This for everyone's mind. hahah

The National Anthem shouldn't even be played at sporting events. The U.S. flag represents the death of millions of people at the expense of each of our hands. The anthem itself is about death and destruction.

The military pays the NFL to pump all that patriotic bullshit down the drones watching. Human drones, not the drones we as a country send to kill innocent families.

Blind patriotism is conditioned through television screens all over this country and it is disgusting...It is sickening...

If you still think wars are fought for freedom, think again...Oil, resources, drugs, power, and money. Those are the primary factors for war.

Do you think it is a coincidence that we are stuck in Afghanistan? Look how much opium is over there, now look at the opium epidemic throughout our country. Hmmm...

Look back on how the U.S. trained Bin Laden, now look how many times these radical groups have somehow got U.S. weapons. That seems to be a cycle...

We give a shitload of money to Israel and do you know what is really going on over there? Palestinian people aren't being treated very nicely. Look into how much natural gas is over in that region. Hmmm...

Damn, I didn't think I was going to piss you guys off till later tonight, when I posted a link to my new website that throws a nice shot at this forum. All in good fun of course. hahahahahahahhahah

[jefferyepayne]

Well, I think this thread has officially gone off the rails. Understand all points of view but would suggest we keep away from the politics and focus on leatherheads!

jeff

[vintagebaseballcardguy]

Originally Posted by jefferyepayne

Well, I think this thread has officially gone off the rails. Understand all points of view but would suggest we keep away from the politics and focus on leatherheads!

jeff

Jeff, I agree. I indicated my wish for this not to happen in my original post. This is my happy place, let's not muck it up!

So, to take this thread back to its original intent, it looks like the general consensus is that most football card/memorabilia collectors do not take today's NFL much into account as they collect. This is what I suspected, but it has been insightful reading the responses thus far. The history of the game and basic love of collecting it are paramount. For me, it is as simple as loving to reminisce about old players, old uniforms, and the old stadiums in the background of the cards. As I have mentioned in past threads, 60s football satisfies my completionist gene, as those sets are pretty attainable for me. It must have been an exciting era! Someday, I will probably work on some 50s sets. Either way, my feelings toward what happens in today's NFL doesn't effect my football collecting. I guess if anything, it makes me draw closer to the old stuff. Jeff, I am not in the leather helmet era yet, but maybe someday!

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[jefferyepayne]

Originally Posted by kvnkvnkvn

Damn, I didn't think I was going to piss you guys off till later tonight, when I posted a link to my new website that throws a nice shot at this forum. All in good fun of course. hahahahahahahhahah

I'd love to see your site K. Mitchell. How do I access it?

jeff

[kvnkvnkvn]

Originally Posted by jefferyepayne

I'd love to see your site K. Mitchell. How do I access it?

jeff

I have a thread floating around on here with all the links...But I will throw it on this one as well...

www.CardsFromTheAttic.Com

[Leon]

A lot of what you said here, I think is total BS.
Last time I checked, when you lose a war that you started (Palestinians) you don't get to pick your spot any longer. That is because you lost. Time to move on LOL......BTW Pro Football still sucks bad. College and HS football are fun to watch.

Originally Posted by kvnkvnkvn

Although, I used Leon's quote to start this off, this ain't directed at him. This for everyone's mind. hahah

The National Anthem shouldn't even be played at sporting events. The U.S. flag represents the death of millions of people at the expense of each of our hands. The anthem itself is about death and destruction.

The military pays the NFL to pump all that patriotic bullshit down the drones watching. Human drones, not the drones we as a country send to kill innocent families.

Blind patriotism is conditioned through television screens all over this country and it is disgusting...It is sickening...

If you still think wars are fought for freedom, think again...Oil, resources, drugs, power, and money. Those are the primary factors for war.

Do you think it is a coincidence that we are stuck in Afghanistan? Look how much opium is over there, now look at the opium epidemic throughout our country. Hmmm...

Look back on how the U.S. trained Bin Laden, now look how many times these radical groups have somehow got U.S. weapons. That seems to be a cycle...

We give a shitload of money to Israel and do you know what is really going on over there? Palestinian people aren't being treated very nicely. Look into how much natural gas is over in that region. Hmmm...

Damn, I didn't think I was going to piss you guys off till later tonight, when I posted a link to my new website that throws a nice shot at this forum. All in good fun of course. hahahahahahahhahah

[kvnkvnkvn]

Originally Posted by Leon

A lot of what you said here, I think is total BS.

I was leaving this thread alone, and quite frankly staying away from this museum for the most part...

But since Leon needs a little explanation, and obviously wants to get some mischief going, I guess I'm game. hahahah

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The National Anthem shouldn't even be played at sporting events. The U.S. flag represents the death of millions of people at the expense of each of our hands. The anthem itself is about death and destruction.

The US has killed many innocent people. That is a fact. I am also saying the flag is political, and anything political should not be involved with sporting events...

Blind patriotism is conditioned through television screens all over this country.

This is absolutely fact. Look how much money the military spends on advertisements and special events at these games.

If you still think wars are fought for freedom, think again...Oil, resources, drugs, power, and money. Those are the primary factors for war.

I guess this could be debated, but come on. When corporations end up on both sides of a war, something is fishy...

Do you think it is a coincidence that we are stuck in Afghanistan? Look how much opium is over there, now look at the opium epidemic throughout our country.

Opinion right now, but don't be surprised in 20 years when this turns out to be true....

Look back on how the U.S. trained Bin Laden, now look how many times these radical groups have somehow got U.S. weapons. That seems to be a cycle...

This is an absolute fact. We definitely trained Bin Laden.

We give a shitload of money to Israel and do you know what is really going on over there? Palestinian people aren't being treated very nicely. Look into how much natural gas is over in that region. Hmmm...

This is a sticky situation here. I would refer to Abby Martins reporting on this situation. Some really good insight from her. I just don't like the amount of money we provide to Israel every year. Plus, it is a fact that there is tons on natural gas over there...

You guys can think what you want. But, if the only source of your information is coming from mainstream media outlets, including the web, newspapers and television, you are being misinformed immensely. The mainstream media cannot be trusted. That is a fact.

[Il Padrino]

Originally Posted by kvnkvnkvn

Figgity fuk, fuk and triple fuk the NFL...Shit is a straight up soap opera and they got dudes roped in like a mo fo...

Criminals hailed as gods, over sexaulized females advertised directly to our eyeballs, poisons peddled directly to our youth in 30 second increments, blatant blind patriotism conditioning the weak through every screen, stadiums burden cities, fans fight and kill each other, same shit, different year, different name.

And quite frankly I don't need to watch stage show monkeys do 3 pirouettes, 2 booty shakes and an arm extension every time they get a first down...

NFL is beneath me. 6ish games in 3 years, none this year and just committed to not watching the Super Bowl today...That's the biggest farce of it all...

Is it too much for me to declare that I believe we are long lost brothers?

Screw the NFL and screw the NBA while we're at it. Not long ago the NFL and NBA had me in their tight grasp and I felt as if I could not miss one single minute of my team playing and that includes the fact that I am 6-hours ahead of EST so an 8 PM game comes on at 2 AM here... no longer. When that POS KrapErnick took a knee and so many followed suit in both leagues via various disgusting displays against what it fully means (to me) to be an American = I said to hell with them all. I haven't watched a single game from either league this year and have zero intention of ever doing so again plus I try very hard to not even buy products from companies that support either league; I simply do not care to support a league full of overpaid babies that use their uniform to make a stand. Frankly I don't give two-shits what they do outside of work but do NOT bring that crap my way when I am trying to relax and watch a professional sporting event.

Some say "oh, they are just applying their 1st Amendment rights... blah blah blah" but the fact remains that this would of course be OK if they were OFF THE CLOCK. As Kaepernick made his statement by what he did not do; stand for The National Anthem. He failed to realize that the only thing that was his was he himself and the talent that he possessed at that time. Not the cleats on his feet, not the helmet at his side, not a single thread of uniform apparel shy perhaps his jock supporter and socks… not one thing. When traveling for the team he boards team chartered airplanes and buses, he stays in hotels paid for by his team, and so on and when they are on their home field he parks his expensive car in team protective parking, uses their showers, puts on their uniform, and in all senses represents completely and fully the team not thyself. He therefore loses the right to represent any one single aspect of what his own self represents on the outside of all of this while on team property or within the constraints of traveling for said team because he does not represent self; he represents the team. Of course he is free, in accordance with his 1st Amendment rights, to do whatever the hell he wants when not associated with the team or the NFL. Conversely the team(s), the NFL, and the fans, have every right to not approve of him as a person or of his actions and can decide if the individual is worthy of donning team apparel and they owe no one an answer as to why they feel he is not. This applies from a fan perspective where I do not have to support their acts and simply refuse to.

Our military, police, fire, and countless other entities of professional standards are held to very tight rules about protesting. Put on a uniform and you might as well forget it or risk your career and quite possibly legal responses to the individual using their professional standing to advance their personal causes.

Some say that these guys are just “entertainers” and I’d tend to agree BUT they also put on that uniform and agree that they are part of a team, an organization, and a league that is bigger than just the single entity. Musicians are free to declare their personal message and are not in any way similar to athletes because of the affiliation to higher entities that is unless they oppose their higher management or the President during the wrong timeframe – just ask the Dixie Chicks band when their entire career tanked because of their comments. So a time and a place even for those without restrictions…

People go to athletic events to see the spectacle and to not have to debate “what the hell is the issue with that person” or similar. Just play the game, collect your multi-million dollar salaries, and protest on your own time and while not in uniform.

[bmattioli]

Other than the disrespectful kneeling I still watch and follow the NFL. I'll always love watching the Patriots win and Jets lose..