T206 Reference / Reflections.....Tuesday Nite Trivia

[RCMcKenzie]

I had a Fred Payne AB460, but traded it away for a bunch of T205's. I have too many projects going, and AB460 looks like a long slog. I am still gradually working on Cycle460, but there is a lot of competition on those too.

Here's another Howell port. Neat touch I thought of signed provenance card...

[t206kid]

I have 30/74 on the AB460 subset. It’s sort of hot and cold since they don’t come up too often.

Nice job on that scarcity list. I pretty much agree across the board

[tedzan]

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Too many T-brands to choose from; however, I'd say my favorite are AMERICAN BEAUTY 460 and UZIT. As I previous noted the AB 460 cards were printed at the tail-end
of the T206 production runs (circa Jan 1911). We have evidence from American Lithographic ledgers which inform us that the UZIT cards were printed & issued Feb 1911.
This marked the "end of the trail" for T206 production. Early in the Spring of 1911, American Litho switched into their Gold-bordered sets (T80, T205, etc.).
For all practical purposes we can consider the American Beauty 460 cards and the UZIT cards as "IDENTICAL TWINS". I am convinced that these two sub-sets of 74 cards
with identical T206 fronts were printed simultaneously. The AB 460 cards were shipped to the Durham (NC) Tobacco Factory (#42)….and, the UZIT cards were shipped to
the New York City Tobacco Factory (#30) to be inserted in their respective Cigarette packs.

Having said all that, let's now take a look at these "twins". The AB 460 McGraw is not a tough card to find. Its UZIT counterpart is virtually impossible. This UZIT McGraw
is the only one known (1/1).


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The AB 460 Herzog is a very tough card to find. And, its UZIT counterpart is virtually impossible....in fact this UZIT Herzog is the only one known (1/1).

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The AB 460 Wiltse (pitching) is quite the tough card to find. However, I did not have a tough time finding his UZIT counterpart.

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TED Z
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[tedzan]

Originally Posted by t206kid

I have 30/74 on the AB460 subset. It’s sort of hot and cold since they don’t come up too often.

Nice job on that scarcity list. I pretty much agree across the board

Hey Jay

You're a young dude....don't give up on the AB 460 run. It's a long-term project that you will be proud of when you have acquired all 74 cards to complete it.

Will I see you at the Philly Show at the end of this month ?


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[tedzan]

Originally Posted by RCMcKenzie

I had a Fred Payne AB460, but traded it away for a bunch of T205's. I have too many projects going, and AB460 looks like a long slog. I am still gradually working on Cycle460, but there is a lot of competition on those too.

Here's another Howell port. Neat touch I thought of signed provenance card...

Rob

Gee, had I known you had an AB 460 Payne to trade, I would have given you a bunch of T205's (or whatever) for Payne.
For at least 10 years now, I've tried to replace the beat-up Payne in my AB 460 set, but could not find one.


TED Z
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[RCMcKenzie]

Originally Posted by tedzan

Rob

Gee, had I known you had an AB 460 Payne to trade, I would have given you a bunch of T205's (or whatever) for Payne.
For at least 10 years now, I've tried to replace the beat-up Payne in my AB 460 set, but could not find one.


TED Z
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I hope it's okay to say, I traded it to JayK. I was happy with the return, as I'm working on some T205 back projects. I'm still picking up AB350 NF here and there.

Incidentally, one of the AB460's I still have is the fairly easy to find Crandall hat exclusive12 card for a back run I have had going for about 10 years. I think there is only one Crandall hat UZIT known. David Hall had it and it sold recently. I should have bought it...Rob

[tedzan]

Originally Posted by RCMcKenzie

I hope it's okay to say, I traded it to JayK. I was happy with the return, as I'm working on some T205 back projects. I'm still picking up AB350 NF here and there.

Incidentally, one of the AB460's I still have is the fairly easy to find Crandall hat exclusive12 card for a back run I have had going for about 10 years. I think there is only one Crandall hat UZIT known. David Hall had it and it sold recently. I should have bought it...Rob

Hi Rob

The T206 Monster never fails to surprise us. I find it quite interesting that the Exclusive 12 (of which your Crandall is one) are somewhat easy to find with AB 460 cards (relative
to the other 62 subjects in the AB 460 sub-set). Yet, the Exclusive 12 guys are absolutely the most difficult to find with the UZIT back.

There are only 5 subjects (so far) in the Exclusive 12 group that have been confirmed with UZIT. David Hall probably had 4 of them in his master T206 set. They are......Crandall,
Geyer, Hummel, and Sheckard.

I have the 5th one.....this McGraw. Which was discovered back in the late 1970's. It was in a collection of T206's that laid dormant in Pennsylvania for 40 years. And, I was lucky
to acquire this collection 3 years ago.


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[RCMcKenzie]

That McGraw UZIT is a nice one, Ted. Here is my AB460 Crandall, along with a few more from the back run. I'm going to do an inventory, and figure out which other ones I need. I've had this run on the back burner for a while...

[tedzan]

Originally Posted by RCMcKenzie

That McGraw UZIT is a nice one, Ted. Here is my AB460 Crandall, along with a few more from the back run. I'm going to do an inventory, and figure out which other ones I need. I've had this run on the back burner for a while...

Rob

Here is the complete run for each of the Exclusive 12 subjects. You have a nice start on the Crandall....go for it.

Besides the UZIT, the toughest backs for your Crandall will be....EPDG, CYCLE 460, and OLD MILL.

I may have an OLD MILL / Crandall, if you are interested.


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[RCMcKenzie]

Nice Mcgraw run, fun to see all the backs...Thank you for offering an OM Crandall, Ted. I do happen to have that one. I do still need UZIT, Cycle460, and EPDG. I'll have to keep my eyes open for them...Rob