PWCC Certified High End Cards:

[samosa4u]

From what I understand, a certified high end card is any card that looks better than the grade it received. PWCC will then put a sticker behind the slab which contains a serial number. These HE cards bring in big money, and can sell for double or even triple than what they would normally go for. Here is one listing I recently came across:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1966-Topps-...p2047675.l2557

Bobby Orr is one of the greatest hockey players of all-time and this is his rookie card. A PSA 2 normally sells between $1,000 - $1,200 USD. This one however went for almost $5,500 which is nuts because that's how much a PSA 6 would bring in. Now I understand why this card got the HE designation because it has pretty good centering, edges, and near mint corners. However, there are creases on the reverse side, as stated in the description. Would you spend that much on a PSA 2 when you can get a PSA 6 with that money? Is there something I am missing here? Maybe this card is going to get soaked and the creases will be pressed out? If it does get a PSA 7, then this card will be worth approximately $15,000 USD. A PSA 8 is $35,000+

Do you think that a majority of these HE cards get cracked out and resubmitted to PSA?

Do you own a PWCC HE card? Have you left the sticker on it or did you remove it? Will it add any value to the card if you decide to sell it down the line? Will collectors pay more for your card since it has that sticker on it?

[vintagetoppsguy]

Brent has found a marketing gimmick that suckers are willing to buy into. He has almost no cost involved at all - simply places a sticker on the card, provides a cert, calls it High End and it brings in more money. People are stupid. Good for him to exploit their stupidity.

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

Brent has found a marketing gimmick that suckers are willing to buy into. He has almost no cost involved at all - simply places a sticker on the card, provides a cert, calls it High End and it brings in more money. People are stupid. Good for him to exploit their stupidity.

^^This is the real answer^^ I do like the humor in the posts sticking up for PWCC, they make me laugh and wonder if they are paid advertisements.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by bnorth

^^This is the real answer^^ I do like the humor in the posts sticking up for PWCC, they make me laugh and wonder if they are paid advertisements.

It seems to me Members are just giving their honest and personal opinion. You seem to have a problem with that. LOL....Your sometimes contrarian attitude makes me LOL.....

BTW, I don't mind mentioning that PWCC is the largest advertiser on our board and it is appreciated very much. I hope our members support them for supporting the board.

[danmckee]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

Brent has found a marketing gimmick that suckers are willing to buy into. He has almost no cost involved at all - simply places a sticker on the card, provides a cert, calls it High End and it brings in more money. People are stupid. Good for him to exploit their stupidity.

Brent didn't create this marketing, A company has been doing this for years with slabbed coins. I agree that it targets more suckers.. Amazing marketing.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Maybe Heritage REA and Probstein should do the same thing and we can see whose HE certification is worth more.

[Touch'EmAll]

Within any grade there are cards that are, 1) average for the grade, cards that are 2) high end for the grade, and cards that are 3) low end for the grade.

How often do you see PWCC list cards that are low end for the grade? Trust me, there are some.
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Steve Parmentier

[MikeGarcia]

Originally Posted by 100backstroke

Within any grade there are cards that are, 1) average for the grade, cards that are 2) high end for the grade, and cards that are 3) low end for the grade.

How often do you see PWCC list cards that are low end for the grade? Trust me, there are some.

..that particular situation should have been solved and rendered moot by the new half-grades (PSA) and new numbering systems (SGC) of recent years.....I have never seen a PSA 6.5 HE or SGC 86 HE that wasn't in a PSA 7 or SGC 88 slab ???

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[Peter_Spaeth]

I personally think it's a stupid gimmick -- I can judge as well as Brent and Betsy whether a card is high end for the grade and so can most people -- but no surprise in a gimmick-driven market it seems to work.

[botn]

I have bought cards in collections that come with the PWCC HE sticker and in none of those instances have the cards sold for remotely what they brought when PWCC originally sold them. In most of the cases the cards did not even sell for ANY premium over what a similarly graded example sold for. Shockingly these are one and done events. The added value in most cases was not even as much as what it cost PWCC for the sticker and the accompanying insert.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by botn

I have bought cards in collections that come with the PWCC HE sticker and in none of those instances have the cards sold for remotely what they brought when PWCC originally sold them. In most of the cases the cards did not even sell for ANY premium over what a similarly graded example sold for. Shockingly these are one and done events. The added value in most cases was not even as much as what it cost PWCC for the sticker and the accompanying insert.

Do you offer 2 day shipping?

[ullmandds]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

I personally think it's a stupid gimmick -- I can judge as well as Brent and Betsy whether a card is high end for the grade and so can most people -- but no surprise in a gimmick-driven market it seems to work.

spot on

[Leon]

Sounds like good marketing to me. Their HE cards are usually high end . Just as a lot of us buy cards based on their qualities they are marking ones they think are nice. There are better things to gripe about ...

ps...I had a consignment get turned down for the HE designation .....oh well.

[Brian Van Horn]

I can't get beyond PSA 2 and high end.

[bobbyw8469]

Originally Posted by Brian Van Horn

I can't get beyond PSA 2 and high end.

Yes...and why is there no 9.5 grade yet???

[gnaz01]

Originally Posted by Brian Van Horn

I can't get beyond PSA 2 and high end.

To me this is an oxymoron......

[MikeGarcia]

Originally Posted by Leon

Sounds like good marketing to me. Their HE cards are usually high end . Just as a lot of us buy cards based on their qualities they are marking ones they think are nice. There are better things to gripe about ...

ps...I had a consignment get turned down for the HE designation .....oh well.

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..must you request that the submission possibly
be designated " PWCC HE" or do they automatically look at the cards as they scan and list and take it upon themselves to do it ??...that would be a great free service..higher final price for the seller and resulting higher fee to PWCC....a "win-win"

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[Leon]

Originally Posted by MikeGarcia

..
..must you request that the submission possibly
be designated " PWCC HE" or do they automatically look at the cards as they scan and list and take it upon themselves to do it ??...that would be a great free service..higher final price for the seller and resulting higher fee to PWCC....a "win-win"

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I don't know. I asked if a card would meet their HE designation and they said no, the corners weren't nice enough. It wasn't a big deal....

[drcy]

It's like PSA assigning a condition grade to an autograph. If you are unable to judge the condition of a signature on your own, you probably shouldn't be collecting.

[pokerplyr80]

Originally Posted by MikeGarcia

..
..must you request that the submission possibly
be designated " PWCC HE" or do they automatically look at the cards as they scan and list and take it upon themselves to do it ??...that would be a great free service..higher final price for the seller and resulting higher fee to PWCC....a "win-win"

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They automatically review submissions to see if they qualify for the designation. You can make a request or state your opinion that you believe your card should qualify. But they won't make the determination until they have the card in hand.

I've sent in a couple of cards I thought should have been high end. One got it and one didn't.

[aconte]

Originally Posted by Leon

Sounds like good marketing to me. Their HE cards are usually high end . Just as a lot of us buy cards based on their qualities they are marking ones they think are nice. There are better things to gripe about ...

Agreed!

[frankbmd]

My niche is the HE AUTH card.