joe jackson in hof

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Posted By: Anonymous

i think that joe jackson should be in the hof. one of the greatest hitter's and fielders in baseball history let me know what you think

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Posted By: Steve

The Cheaters Hall of Fame?

I'm a big fan, but he's no HOF'r

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Posted By: Anonymous

you are crazy the man put up great numbers in the world series

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Posted By: brock

Looking at Joe Jackson's world series stats for 1917 and 1919, i would think he failed at trying to throw the 1917 world series. He had great numbers in the 1919 world series, hitting .375 with 12 hits, 3 doubles and 6 RBI's. He will get in one day.

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Posted By: Jodi Birkholm

Cashews? Ali? Poochie?

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Posted By: JT Burchfield

He'll get in the hall of fame when abortion is outlawed, homosexual marriages are legalized, and the drug laws are overturned.

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Posted By: Steve

Anonymous dude, Read Joe's own words at page 4, the question on being "paid". If you disagree this isn't grounds for exclusion, I don't know what is.

http://www.blackbetsy.com/jjtestimony1920.pdf

I agree, Joe played quite well during the series. But, and this is my perception, only when a good play wouldn't affect a Chicago advantage.

Crazy Bostonian

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Posted By: Anonymous

even buck weaver got kicked out of baseball and did not get paid. their probably been a lot of player's got payed then to throw game's but did not get caught and also the trial found them not guilty.

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Posted By: Keyway

Knew about it, played in it. Tough! The HOF is no place for cheaters. Him and Rose can stay out for ever.

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Posted By: davidcycleback

Much of Joe Jackson's, Buck Weaver's and Pete Rose's popularity lie in their being perceived as outlaws, outcasts, wronged by the establishment. Being canonized by the establishment ruins the whole "wronged by the establishment" thing, especially for Rose, and prices for their memorabilia and cards would fall from their heightened states.

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Posted By: Frank Wakefield

No. Joe Jackson doesn't go into the Hall. Absolutely no way.

The very creation of the leagues was founded on games that were honest, above the touch of gamblers that permeated play in the 1880s and 1890s. The players knew that then, as they do now.

Even today there's an admonition about gambling:

Rule 21(d) by heart:

BETTING ON BALL GAMES. Any player, umpire, or club official or employee, who shall bet any sum whatsoever upon any baseball game in connection with which the bettor has no duty to perform shall be declared ineligible for one year.

Any player, umpire, or club or league official or employee, who shall bet any sum whatsoever upon any baseball game in connection with which the bettor has a duty to perform shall be declared permanently ineligible.



Baseball doesn't have a sign on the door about beating your wife, or doing cocaine. But gambling is a fundamental offense. To fully understand, you'd need to read about the history of gambling in the game, and the league formation. A great book to start with is The Fix Is In, by Daniel E. Ginsburg. Reading that would be a precursor to sensible talk about gambling and consideration for induction into the Baseball Hall of Fame.


So Jackson doesn't get in the Hall, he knew about the bribes, he even accepted payment. Weaver doesn't get in, he knew and didn't act to protect the game.

And the all time leader in hits in major league baseball played in 3562 regular season games, a bunch of post season games, and managed just over 400 games in which he wasn't a player. He must have walked past that sign way over 10,000 times. He gets into the Hall any time he buys a $16.50 ticket, it's open 362 days a year. So yes, I'm for Pete Rose getting into the Hall any day he wants at $16.50 a pop. They're closed for Thanksgiving, Christmas, and New Years. As for him being inducted, never. Same for Joe Jackson.

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Posted By: Anonymous

guys have been doing steroids for a long time and their are players in the hall and thats not allowed

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Posted By: Frank Wakefield

And there's no sign on the clubhouse door for the last hundred years about steriods.

Gambling is dealt with uniquely in major league baseball. To understand why, you'll need to become a scholar and do some reading.

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Posted By: Paul

Regarding the jury verdict in Joe Jackson's favor, OJ was acquitted as well (in the murder trial). And OJ's jury was a group of impartial model citizens compared to Jackson's. When the jury verdict was announced in the Black Sox case, the jurors literally carried the Black Sox out of the courtroom on their shoulders. It's hard to believe that the jury impartially weighed the evidence.

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Posted By: davidcycleback

There never has been a legal system anywhere, at anytime that says "if one person gets away with a crime, then no one can be convicted of it." The legal argument of "but there were others who didn't get caught" didn't even work on our parents when we were kids-- and I'm sure we all tried it!

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Posted By: Chris Mc

Well........there should be an asterisk next to Speaker and Cobb then and I'm sure there are some knowledgeable people on this board who can come up with a few more names of cheats who are in the Hall.

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Posted By: B.C.Daniels

is typically fun!

BcD

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Posted By: Dan Koteles

Pete ROse will have elected when he is dead and rightfully so, JAckson will have to be exonerated at that point. Joe should be in it wasnt his fault he was a backwoods tart with no education.

He was easily manipulated and THAT is WRONG !!!!!!

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Posted By: James Gallo

B.C. said it perfectly, I know there are several if not many people in the hall that had bet on the game.

The problem I have with the Black Sox is that if Landis did not want to make an example out of them would things have been different. I think so very much.

When you make an example out of a person you can't go back on it not matter what. I think weaver get the crap end of this stick. I never got the whole well he knew about it crap, so did the whole White Sox team long before the series was over and there are a few of those guys in the hall.

I love Jackson I would not be upset if he got in the hall. I would like to see him get in the hall, yet I do not believe that he is totally innocent either.

As for Rose, I think he should be in the hall based on what he did as a player. Managers get in for managing and not playing and certain other criteria are bent for many other players.

I think Rose also hurt his case by the years of BS.

I think the most telling sign will be how the hall handles the steroid era. If someone like bonds gets in with the argument that he was a HOF before the juice then that would open the door to all IMO as Jackson is a HOF before the scandle. If Jackson had continued to play I think his numbers would have grown a get deal.

I know this has been talked about a ton and there are always those against both Jackson and Rose, those in the middle and those for.

The future will tell a lot.

James G

Looking for 1915 Cracker Jacks and 1909-11 American Caramel E90-1.

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Posted By: Dan Koteles

there was a guy from my Neighborhood that was forced to do alot of bad things and he was slow and somewhat of a retard. I wondered as he got older if he would take it out on someone after getting picked on his whole life....well he did. He is serving 5-15 and no judge is going to care what he went through his whole life. I was one of few that befriended him but how do you justify a balanced life for the guy. One wrong doing after being picked on for 35 yrs.

My relevance is similar. JAckson would have been easily coerced especially after his good pal Cicotte got trated the way he did.

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Posted By: Denny Walsh

Peter (Chaos), Is that you hiding behind jdumbar?

guys have been doing steroids for a long time and their are players in the hall and thats not allowed

Curiously similiar.....wounldn't say!?


Life's Grand,
Denny Walsh