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Old 07-28-2016, 08:19 AM
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Well said my friend. A company "founded" on knowingly grading a altered t206 Wagner. Way too much faith put into the almighty PSA! I have yet to ever submit a card to PSA, Yes, I've bought PSA graded cards. I've only ever submitted 13 cards which was to Beckett this past May after 29/30 years of collecting. I'm a collector not a flipper. I'll let my 401k and "real investments" make/lose me money.

With that said, I'm strongly considering using SGC services to preserve my collection. I actually like SGC's cases the best. The black insert really highlights the card. From looking at my SGC cards I've bought , they seem to have a solid grading system. I feel PSA's is all over the place. Heck, look at some PSA cards that where graded 10 years ago. If you were to crack that "older" slabbed PSA card out and send it back in for grading, you'd probably end up with a card 1 to 2 grades lower than the original. Ahh, I miss the old days of , Mint, Near Mint, EX, Good, Poor.
yup...i totally agree but apparently we're in the minority?
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Old 07-28-2016, 08:25 AM
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I mentioned it in another thread, but I think it's worth mentioning here too. Here are 2 1965 Topps Pete Rose cards that ended on eBay about the same time. Both are graded NM. Does anybody truly believe that the PSA card (in the new holder, with the new flip) is NM?
Great Example to what I briefly touched on in my posting.
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Old 07-28-2016, 08:26 AM
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yup...i totally agree but apparently we're in the minority?
It sometimes seems that way!
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Old 07-28-2016, 08:30 AM
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i cant imagine the psa one sold more than the sgc in this case. if so people are stupider than I ever imagined!!!!
Ha! The sgc one probably sold for $80, while the PSA sold for $180!
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Old 07-28-2016, 09:26 AM
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I know I'm in the minority here, but for me, getting a card slabbed is about authentication and preservation of a wonderful baseball artifact. Cracking open a perfectly good SGC slab and paying to resubmit the card to PSA in hopes that you will get lucky with a more lenient grader, thus changing a card's resale value (notice I don't say "worth") from, say, $500, into one now miraculously worth $800 (just making up these numbers as an example), just seems kind of crazy to me.

Probably some of my view stems from the fact that I collect cards due to a family connection and don't look to make money on them. So as I said, I understand that I am in the minority here. But I always find these discussions bewildering.
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Ha! The sgc one probably sold for $80, while the PSA sold for $180!
Close on the PSA > 186.50

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1965-Topps-2...p2047675.l2557

... but SGC came out ahead, or rather the better card did. > 293.88

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1965-Topps-P...p2047675.l2557
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Old 07-28-2016, 11:50 AM
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My '52 Topps Mantle (SGC 4) didn't meet the requirements for a PSA 4 crossover. $700 down the drain...But...it looks better than most PSA 5s.

That is absolutely at least a PSA 4 per their descriptions:

Very Good-Excellent
A PSA VG-EX 4 card's corners may be slightly rounded. Surface wear is noticeable but modest. The card may have light scuffing or light scratches. Some original gloss will be retained. Borders may be slightly off-white. A light crease may be visible. Centering must be 85/15 or better on the front and 90/10 or better on the back.





They couldn't even tell me why it didn't cross. Spent $700...gave me my card back in SGC holder and didn't even have the courtesy to explain why. Had to call 3 times.
If a big customer that spends a lot of money with them submitted it - then I'm sure it's going to cross over. Politics for sure. Shouldn't be that way, but it is.

If anything, they are inconsistent snobs...especially when you compare old labels vs the new label harsh standards. Doing a 180 to protect current high graded cards.

The current 3s and 4s look better than the older 5s and 6s in many instances. I just want consistency.

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Old 07-28-2016, 02:43 PM
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Sure looks like a lock for minimum 4 grade. Anything more than a hairline crease on one side? Or paper loss or surface indent? $700. - ouch! I feel for ya.
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Old 07-28-2016, 02:50 PM
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Sure looks like a lock for minimum 4 grade. Anything more than a hairline crease on one side? Or paper loss or surface indent? $700. - ouch! I feel for ya.
Absolutely no creases or paper loss. They said it was the corners after I called for a third time.

Yes ouch! It was cash too, made it hurt that much more. You could've fried an egg on my forehead on the first 10 minutes of the drive home I was so pissed...
But I was more mad at myself that I just got hustled and played like an idiot...the kid had no idea why it didn't cross when he gave it back to me and "the head grader already left", he didn't even have any notes to give me. Take my money fine...but at least have the common courtesy to explain why! Brutal. Calling them back and being on hold to find out why it didn't cross made me feel like a bigger idiot, because they already have my money and it didn't cross over, so really it didn't matter.

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Old 07-28-2016, 03:44 PM
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I've found that in general (but not always the case), PSA is more lenient with paper loss and SGC is more lenient with tobacco stains when it comes to T206s in grades GD to EX.
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