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Old 07-27-2016, 04:59 PM
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Default PSA versus SGC

I have not had good luck crossing my SGC to PSA ( I know, I know, but the card not the grade!!). I wanted to switch them to PSA mostly for uniform look (OCD) but also for possible resale value as PSA tends to sell for more. I first attempted to send in my SCG slabs for crossover and didn't have any success (returned below minimum grade - as I specified my lowest acceptable grade was a half point below the SGC grade).

So I then sent in some different cards but cracked them out this time and sent in raw. All of them came back one full grade lower and two were marked trimmed despite being previously slabbed by SGC. Now, I know from many different threads that both companies make errors but man PSA is being harsh.

My question is, what do you guys recommend. Taking the lower PSA grade or re-crack out and putting it back into SGC for the higher grade. None of the cards are very high value low hundreds at the most so the fees really begin to add up for these low value cards. Also, if you send in the card raw with the previous SGC paper from the case, you have to pay for full regrade again, right?

Once specific example I wanted to show you. It is a T206 Polar Bear Lajoie with bat that was graded SGC 60/5 that I cracked (case was previously damaged) and submitted and PSA only gave it a 3!! That is a two grade discrepancy. I just looked at the pop report and PSA has not even given a PSA 5 out yet, so I am not sure if that is the reason for the low grade. There is heavy tobacco staining on front. What do you guys suggest? Thanks

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Old 07-27-2016, 05:06 PM
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Both companies grade cards very differently. That needs to be taken into account before crossing over.

I would suggest collecting raw cards.
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Old 07-27-2016, 05:18 PM
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That is insane! It's as if PSA has gone 180 On the way they grade vintage. It used to be you could easily find dozens upon dozens of over graded PSA cards. And now it seems they are grading extremely harshly as if to reward those who graded early. Uniformity of product is very important to me and PSA has not demonstrated that over the years .
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Old 07-27-2016, 05:30 PM
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The reason for the varied grades is the inherent subjectivity in grading. Those seeking objective justifications, I think, will be disappointed.
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Old 07-27-2016, 05:32 PM
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It's a beauty regardless. I would guess the staining and off center back would be the reason for the grade, but that's pretty harsh considering the front centering and corners.
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Old 07-27-2016, 05:42 PM
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Default PSA versus SGC

For cards as plentiful as T206s, why crossover? Just buy the card in the slab of your choice.

Maybe it's just the scan, but did those corners get softer during the crossover?

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Old 07-27-2016, 05:44 PM
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No. Corners look crisper in person than on psa scan.

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Old 07-27-2016, 05:54 PM
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Default Another example of discrepancy

Here is another example of a SGC 60/5 flipped to PSA 4.
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Old 07-27-2016, 06:14 PM
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It looks like SGC was very generous on the Lajoie and PSA was a bit harsh. If I didn't know that you crossed the Waddell I would accept either grade. I think that set yourself up for disappointment by submitting the cards for a cross over and putting a lower grade as acceptable. I have only submitted a few cards for cross over and put the same grade. If it does not cross over I keep the card in the original holder with the original grade. You may not get the original grade if you send it back to SGC. Just my 2 cents.

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Old 07-27-2016, 06:16 PM
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These were cracked out because I thought psa graded other companies slabs harsher. I wanted what I thought was an unbiased opinion.

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