1982 Topps Blackless

[Bcwcardz]

Originally Posted by bswhiten

Apparently Beckett doesn’t recognize Blackless… still can’t believe this was closed at eBay auction for under $20!

So people have all the luck.


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[Blackless Collector]

a pair of wrong labeled "Blackless" by PSA Again....

[bswhiten]

wow...That should be embarrassing for PSA. Why would they slab it Blackless when there is clearly Black ink??? Maybe some of the new graders.

[Blackless Collector]

Very embarrassing for PSA, think in the step of research they can note the difference between regular and Blackless. Is incredible lot of regular cards with Blackless designation.

[Blackless Collector]

WTB and Still in Search of #464 Juan Bonilla Blackless

[bswhiten]

A lesson in why I shouldn’t use my phone to purchase stuff on eBay.

“Blacklessing” instead of true Blackless. I thought I was upgrading… Oh well. At least I still have the lower graded true Blackless

[ALR-bishop]

On the bright side, the set can be finished in Blacklessing… or gray ghosts… as well as Blackless

[Zach Wheat]

...makes me want to start collecting '82 Blackless. I have a few, but picked them up by accident

[bswhiten]

Al - I think i will leave collecting the blacklessing gray ghost set to you

Zach - Just do it! There are a few that will be tough to pry out of other folks' collections.

[mybestbretts]

psa george brett master registry set up for auction by Heritage. Blackless
in it

[ALR-bishop]

[bswhiten]

Originally Posted by mybestbretts

psa george brett master registry set up for auction by Heritage. Blackless
in it

Do you have the IA and All Star too? Just saw the #200 on Heritage.

[mybestbretts]

I do have the other two, will be in future auction. The master set consists
of approx 850 cards so don't know exactly how they will be handling them
All three Bretts 200, 201 & 549

[Blackless Collector]

Originally Posted by ALR-bishop

Nice Bretts!!

The only Brett i need is in Action Blackless.

[ALR-bishop]

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[Blackless Collector]

Originally Posted by ALR-bishop

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Beautiful Brett in action card AL, Hope find one in a future!!

[4reals]

My 1982 Topps Blackless Dodgers team set.

I am interested in another Dave Lopes In Action #741 if anyone has one or knows who I can ask. I have duplicates of some of these including a C-sheet Reuss to trade to obtain one if necessary. Thanks!




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[robw]

Great card. Looked to me like it may be sheet cut.

[Blackless Collector]

Originally Posted by 4reals

My 1982 Topps Blackless Dodgers team set.

I am interested in another Dave Lopes In Action #741 if anyone has one or knows who I can ask. I have duplicates of some of these including a C-sheet Reuss to trade to obtain one if necessary. Thanks!




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Wow, Beautiful Dodger's team set. I dont have the Valenzuela All star and Dave lopes in Action. The steve yeager card i have is with a little gray. I add the past year Bobby Castillo card, is a Hard dodger to find.

[Blackless Collector]

Originally Posted by robw

Great card. Looked to me like it may be sheet cut.

I watch the card on ebay, but under my perception i note the card had stain on shirt area, but for 200.00 was a nice deal. I have one in PSA 7, very Clean card with sharp corners

[robw]

Great card. Any chance you are trying to part with it?

[Blackless Collector]

Originally Posted by robw

Great card. Any chance you are trying to part with it?

No, is part of my 1982 Topps Blackless Collection, sorry. Hope you find one!

[bswhiten]

Won a major award!

[bswhiten]

Who will be the first to spot the error in the description

[John1941]

Congrats Ben! Also, backless is not 100% accurate.

[ALR-bishop]

Congrats Ben. Do you think it is referred to as Regional because of the reputed limited distribution of packs with them. When I was working on my set most of the sellers were from NY area or Michigan. These were errors in regular production cards but I do not think even Topps test sets with very limited distribution are referred to as Regional

[JustinD]

Congrats, that's an awesome one to get recognized on!

[hockeyhockey]

so cool, congrats. maybe you can work on the 'backless' set now as well.

[Zach Wheat]

Congrats Ben. Do you feel that there are less than 100 of each blackless card in the set?

[Blackless Collector]

Originally Posted by bswhiten

Won a major award!

Congratulations Ben for this PSA Award 🏆🥇🏆

[bswhiten]

John - you are right! Good eye.

Al - Honestly, i think they just combined two distinct awards into one. Last year, there were two separate categories and more categories overall. Last year there were 28 and this year there are 15. It definitely fits more in the oddball category.

Justin - I agree, thanks!
Hockey - Thanks
Zach - I think there are less than 100 unless there are 75 people that hoard their blackless cards...could be! Some C sheet cards I have not seen for sale in the past 6 years.

Christian - Thanks man. Good luck with your set too! I was lucky and hit the jackpot with a full set. There are some other full sets out there, so you never know

[Blackless Collector]

Originally Posted by bswhiten

John - you are right! Good eye.

Al - Honestly, i think they just combined two distinct awards into one. Last year, there were two separate categories and more categories overall. Last year there were 28 and this year there are 15. It definitely fits more in the oddball category.

Justin - I agree, thanks!
Hockey - Thanks
Zach - I think there are less than 100 unless there are 75 people that hoard their blackless cards...could be! Some C sheet cards I have not seen for sale in the past 6 years.

Christian - Thanks man. Good luck with your set too! I was lucky and hit the jackpot with a full set. There are some other full sets out there, so you never know

Thanks Ben!!

[4reals]

Fyi, i just posted some c sheeters for sale in the BST.

UPDATE: SOLD CARDS ON EBAY


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[BillyCoxDodgers3B]

Any enlightenment on what this is would be appreciated! Standard blueless, or something else? Will provide better photos later this week. Thanks!

[JustinD]

Originally Posted by BillyCoxDodgers3B

Any enlightenment on what this is would be appreciated! Standard blueless, or something else? Will provide better photos later this week. Thanks!

None of the above.

Magenta progressive proof.

I would venture a guess it is most likely blank backed?

[ALR-bishop]

See post 2 in thread for something similar… Blueless 😊

[JustinD]

Originally Posted by ALR-bishop

See post 2 in thread for something similar… Blueless 😊

Al is right, I didn't bother to check that the missing stripe is blue.

It is blueless.

[BillyCoxDodgers3B]

Thanks to both of you. I'll be posting better photos today or early next week.

Any realistic ideas of value for commons?

There is precious little info online for these. Apparently there may only be 1-2 copies of each known card extant?

[BillyCoxDodgers3B]

Better photos.

[ALR-bishop]

Billy---when you say only 1 or 2 copies you are referring to the blueless rather than blackless, right ? I picked the few blueless examples I have when putting together my blackless set. Don't know how many exist but likely not many.

With the blackless there were enough out there you could try to build a set and when they got listed in SCD and recognized by PSA the competition for them in the hobby drove up prices. I think the blueless lack the hobby recognition to have great value other than among oddity or specific player collectors. Others may think differently.

[JustinD]

I am in agreement with Al here, as per usual.

I am of the opinion that the blueless are of course the usual backdoored print flaw sheets of the time. To be honest I would guess there are very few, likely less than 5 sheets. Even your estimate of 1 or 2 is believable.

Your example has one big issue and that is the poor sheet cut that someone did with a pair of scissors (most noticeable on the back). This can be a big impact on value as many error collectors really focus on pack pulled errors, not printer's scrap, which is really what these are. If sheet cut, it needs to be done well.

While a neat oddity, these don't really hold much value due to the limited number of weirdos like Al and myself that collect them. Had they been packaged and distributed like the blackless and PSA gradable, the value would change.

Only a very small number of uncut backdoored sets find their way into master set and number grades, the full front and back 1985 Topps minis being the most recognized.

The only opportunity for grading these might be Beckett and they would label it a proof most likely with no number grade. Not sure if they still grade proofs, but I have a bunch of older ones I have accumulated. I think grading cost might exceed value in this case.

I think on this, the value would be really what the eBay bidders decide on any given day. As Al said, commons don't do well. Had it been a star or semi-star they can do better due to player collectors.

[BillyCoxDodgers3B]

I appreciate the input again, guys.

This area of collecting is far from my wheelhouse. These just seemed like they were too interesting to pass up, so I took a flyer on them. While not knowing what to expect regarding value, the lack of collector interest is quite frankly very surprising to me. If someone like me who hasn't cared about unsigned cards in over 30 years found them interesting, it just seemed natural that others would as well.

[ALR-bishop]

The only thing I would add to what Justin said is that while we may be weird we are not nearly as weird as Butch, Larry, Greg, Cliff and Thomas. Those guys are beyond weird

[G1911]

As a weirdo, can confirm they have little value but are absolutely awesome and a genuine missing ink card is cooler than a HOF rookie card.

[vintagebaseballcardguy]

Originally Posted by BillyCoxDodgers3B

Better photos.

That is completely fabulous! I own zero blueless from '82.

[holybull]

Anybody happen to have a Johnny Bench Blackless they would consider selling?? Thanks, Michael.

[bswhiten]

Michael, I have a Bench but it isn’t for sale. Definitely a tough C sheet one.

Anyone know who won the Murphy the other day? Did you get it Christian? I was an underbidder. Wanted a second one signed

[Blackless Collector]

Hi Ben, i was bidder but my limit was close to 400.00 but other bidder was more high than 400.00. I note the card had no perfecto corners and a little wrinkle on the bottom left surface. Was sadly not add this to my Blackless Collection but someday. The Only 3 i need to complete the B sheet are #241 Bucky Dent IA Blackless, #464 Juan Bonilla Blackless and #668 Murphy.

[butchie_t]

Originally Posted by ALR-bishop

The only thing I would add to what Justin said is that while we may be weird we are not nearly as weird as Butch, Larry, Greg, Cliff and Thomas. Those guys are beyond weird

OUCH!

ROFL

Weird Butch

[Blackless Collector]

Originally Posted by holybull

Anybody happen to have a Johnny Bench Blackless they would consider selling?? Thanks, Michael.

Michael, keep an eye always on eBay, i found mine 3 years ago, was a PSA 6 but the Blackless are extraordinary in any condition. Blackless is a Tough set but is a Pleasure collect them.