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[Peter_Spaeth]

Work in progress for me.

[Bored5000]

Love seeing another racing collector on here, Peter. I have been looking for a 1969 Panini Andretti for a while, just have not found a lower grade one that is not wildly overpriced. That Senna sticker exploded in value for a while, but seems to have cooled off a bit with the 1984 Scratch N' Play going through the roof lately. He also has some neat and obscure European and Brazilian cards.

I have been trying for a SportsStar Photo-Graphics Earnhardt, but they don't show up too often anymore.

I have been toying with the idea of putting together a period card of all 34 F1 World Champions and pricing out what that would cost. There was a 1952 Chocolate Aiglon of Juan Manuel Fangio that ended on Saturday on eBay. My snipe never fired because I was surprised that the card went for over $300. That card is pretty tough, but it was still a sub $50 card a year or two ago. I guess more people have woke up to the fact that it is Fangio's rookie card and several years before his hyped rookie from the 1954 Kane Products set.

As we talked about on the main board, the 1972 STP Petty has also exploded in value over the past year or two.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Bored5000

Love seeing another racing collector on here, Peter. I have been looking for a 1969 Panini Andretti for a while, just have not found a lower grade one that is not wildly overpriced. That Senna sticker exploded in value for a while, but seems to have cooled off a bit with the 1984 Scratch N' Play going through the roof lately. He also has some neat and obscure European and Brazilian cards.

I have been trying for a SportsStar Photo-Graphics Earnhardt, but they don't show up too often anymore.

I have been toying with the idea of putting together a period card of all 34 F1 World Champions and pricing out what that would cost. There was a 1952 Chocolate Aiglon of Juan Manuel Fangio that ended on Saturday on eBay. My snipe never fired because I was surprised that the card went for over $300. That card is pretty tough, but it was still a sub $50 card a year or two ago. I guess more people have woke up to the fact that it is Fangio's rookie card and several years before his hyped rookie from the 1954 Kane Products set.

As we talked about on the main board, the 1972 STP Petty has also exploded in value over the past year or two.

What year is that Earnhardt?

[Bored5000]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

What year is that Earnhardt?

1986. He also has a 1983 Uno card that has really taken off in value the last couple years. The Uno card is usually considered his rookie card, but I am not really a fan. It is unknown how the Uno card was distributed, but it is just a standard looking Uno card as part as a 30-card NASCAR set.

[Bored5000]

Here is a quick thread on Collectors Universe that talks about the 1986 SportStar Photo-Graphics Earnhardt card.

https://forums.collectors.com/discus...r-racing-cards

Peter, are you familiar with the story behind the Maxx Earnhardt card No. 99 and it subsequently being "officially" released in 999 stickered copies several years later?

[Bored5000]

Here is another link that talks about the 13-card SportStar Photo-Graphics set and the Earnhardt card, along with a picture of the card.

https://www.psacard.com/psasetregist...egallery/46819

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Bored5000

Here is a quick thread on Collectors Universe that talks about the 1986 SportStar Photo-Graphics Earnhardt card.

https://forums.collectors.com/discus...r-racing-cards

Peter, are you familiar with the story behind the Maxx Earnhardt card No. 99 and it subsequently being "officially" released in 999 stickered copies several years later?

No.

[Kurri17]

Love those, especially the Andretti and Petty. Have never seen any of them though, so they're all cool. Racing-wise I have been into the early '70s Fleer drag racing issues, but love seeing the Indy/NASCAR stuff.

[pawpawdiv9]

Hi Peter
I was a Nascar collector before i got into baseball again in 2012-ish.
Just the other day in Goldins auction, the same Senna card fetched some good coin.
Look at these:
https://goldin.co/buy/?search=senna&sort=
If your Senna graded a 10, it be a 34K card. WOW!
I once had the Jeff Gordon RC and Earnhardt promo cards. I know i had Kyle Busch RC.
Still have tons of diecast & cards with the wall displays, but they are all now boxed up.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by pawpawdiv9

Hi Peter
I was a Nascar collector before i got into baseball again in 2012-ish.
Just the other day in Goldins auction, the same Senna card fetched some good coin.
Look at these:
https://goldin.co/buy/?search=senna&sort=
If your Senna graded a 10, it be a 34K card. WOW!
I once had the Jeff Gordon RC and Earnhardt promo cards. I know i had Kyle Busch RC.
Still have tons of diecast & cards with the wall displays, but they are all now boxed up.

Thanks Chris. Senna probably grades, or should grade, 8. I might call it Mint but I am not in touch with the new rigid grading. I was fortunate enough to pick it up out of Europe where once in a while you can still find good prices.

[pawpawdiv9]

Heres some what i have or have had

[todeen]

Any Marlboro driver, especially Penske, is my favorite. Nice Prost.

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[Bored5000]

Originally Posted by todeen

Any Marlboro driver, especially Penske, is my favorite. Nice Prost.

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Thank you.

[Exhibitman]

The other issue is that Petty seems to be signing everything in white lately and that might not look too good on your card.

Got this one signed TTM in about 2 weeks:

[Bored5000]

Nice one, Adam. I didn't even know that Foyt was still signing through the mail. I have read a few different accounts that he has gotten pretty prickly about autographs in person the last couple years. His health has been deteriorating the last couple years due to diabetes, and I read a few different accounts that he was a tough autograph even at Indy the last couple years.

[Exhibitman]

I guess I got lucky. Or maybe it was the handwritten note I sent. I have no idea.

I did get a note from someone at Cale Yarborough's stating that he is too ill to sign, so scratch that one. Dave Marcis signed several items in about a week, as did Ken Schrader.

[Exhibitman]

So going deep into the weeds here, I spent a while over the weekend sorting out my NASCAR PCs and noticed something rather interesting. The Racing Pictorial cards are all numbered. Not only that, they tend to be in sequence. The STP promos are not numbered, which makes sense since the printing was for another company, not for Racing Pictorial to sell. Most interesting to me is that there appears to be a missing 1962 card because there is a one number gap in the sequence on those postcards.

[Bored5000]

Originally Posted by Exhibitman

I guess I got lucky. Or maybe it was the handwritten note I sent. I have no idea.

I did get a note from someone at Cale Yarborough's stating that he is too ill to sign, so scratch that one. Dave Marcis signed several items in about a week, as did Ken Schrader.

I am not surprised by what you wrote about Cale Yarborough. I have read a few articles in recent months that he is in very bad health.

Your story about receiving a note from someone at Yarborough's reminded me of Fred Lorenzen. Lorenzen is still alive but living in a nursing home with severe dementia. His signature went severely downhill, much like Muhammad Ali's, to the point that his daughter sometimes included a note with autograph requests that her father tried his best but his health is not good.

[Exhibitman]

Some PC checklist updates.

Here are the known 1962s with serial #s from the card backs:

Year Publisher Number Name
1962 Racing Pictorial 38087F Roberts, Fireball
1962 Racing Pictorial 38088F Lorenzen, Fred
1962 Racing Pictorial 38089F Petty, Lee and Richard
1962 Racing Pictorial 38090F Jarrett, Ned
1962 Racing Pictorial 38091F White, Rex
1962 Racing Pictorial 38093F Weatherly, Joe

As you can see #38092F is missing. Looks like there may be one more 1962 Daytona International Speedway PC out there.

The 1969 Don Hunter set with the brown backs:

1969 Don Hunter 113706 Yarborough, Cale
1969 Don Hunter 113707 Foyt, A. J.
1969 Don Hunter 113708 Allison, Donnie
1969 Don Hunter 113709 Yarbrough, LeeRoy
1969 Don Hunter 113710 Petty, Richard

I don't know if there are more, but the run I have is consecutive w/o missing numbers.

The 1970 Racing Pictorial PC issue, I have the following:

1970 Racing Pictorial 83802 Lorenzen, Fred
1970 Racing Pictorial 83808 Lund, Tiny
1970 Racing Pictorial 83811 Thomas, Ezra (Jabe)
1970 Racing Pictorial 83814 Parsons, Benny
1970 Racing Pictorial 83815 Tarr, Dr. Don
1970 Racing Pictorial 83816 Paschal, James Roy
1970 Racing Pictorial 85626 Marcis, Dave
1970 Racing Pictorial 85627 Robbins, Marty

Quite a few gaps in there.

Looks like they stopped using #s on the postcards around that time. None of the others I have are numbered. I suspect it coincided with STP's sponsorship of the PCs.

Too far in the weeds???

[Kzoo]

Originally Posted by Exhibitman

The other issue is that Petty seems to be signing everything in white lately and that might not look too good on your card.

Yeah, I'm still on the fence about sending it out to Petty. My son says 'yes', my wife says 'no'. I've seen videos of him signing where he holds 2 different colored 'markers' between his fingers (black & white) and picks a 'color' on the fly. I've also considered driving down to one of his public events (he has a Christmas one coming up) to get it signed in person, but that's like 10 hours each way. I feel like I don't have too much time left due to his age.

[Exhibitman]

Originally Posted by Kzoo

I've seen videos of him signing where he holds 2 different colored 'markers' between his fingers (black & white) and picks a 'color' on the fly.

A well-founded concern, I'd say; IMO this does not look good:

[nsaddict]

Let’s go back to 1911.

[Bored5000]

Wow, Richard. that is a great looking Chevrolet. I have been stuck at 11/25 on a basic T36 driver set for a while now. They don't show up often on eBay anymore. Even the PSA 5.5 Lancia T36 that had been on eBay for a long time sold recently.

[Exhibitman]

Not a card but close enough:



i picked up one of the Rose postcards over the weekend too but no scan yet.

[Kzoo]

The vintage Indy 500 tickets have fantastic graphics with bright colors and an eye catching 'streamlined' design from that era. A week from today, I'll be attending the 500 with my 15 y.o. son for his 1st time (my 4th). We're also going to attend the racing collectibles show while in town, so I'll post anything cool we find.

[Exhibitman]

Please help me ID this driver

[D. Bergin]

Originally Posted by Exhibitman

Please help me ID this driver

Rick Mears?

1984

https://www.gettyimages.com/detail/n...?adppopup=true

[Exhibitman]

Coupla Parkies:



1969 Andretti PC:

[Bored5000]

Bob Sweikert's 1955 win at Indy came in one of the 500's most noteworthy and tragic races. Bill Vukovich was killed leading the 1955 race while going for an unprecedented three Indy wins in a row.

Sweikert himself was killed in a Sprint Car at Salem (ind.) just a year after winning the 500. His widow, Dorie, just passed away a few years ago. After her husband's death, she stayed away from Indy for 30 years until returning as a guest of the speedway in the mid 1980s. Dorie Sweikert wrote a sentimental book about her marriage to the Indy 500 winner 42 years after his death.

https://www.amazon.com/Along-Ride-St.../dp/0915088819

Sweikert was on the cover of Sports Illustrated May 28, 1956, then was killed just 20 days later. He is one of the examples that is usually cited when there is talk of a "Sports Illustrated Jinx."

https://www.ebay.com/itm/360289504488

[Exhibitman]

How do we feel about 1977-79 Sportscasters? I found a few at a recent card show and picked up Villeneuve, Sheckter, Cevert, Andretti, and Moss. Nice looking cards. Also found a 1970 Fleer Graham Hill for a buck.

[Bored5000]

Originally Posted by Exhibitman

How do we feel about 1977-79 Sportscasters? I found a few at a recent card show and picked up Villeneuve, Sheckter, Cevert, Andretti, and Moss. Nice looking cards. Also found a 1970 Fleer Graham Hill for a buck.

This isn't a criticism of what anyone chooses to collect, but I am not a huge fan of the Sportscasters. I don't have an issue with oddball sized cards. I had lots of Sportscasters when I was a kid, but I guess I just never really thought of them as a "card" when I was a kid.

[camaro69]

Picked these up today at our local show.

1960 Parkhurst Indianapolis Race Speedway Winners

[D. Bergin]

Originally Posted by Exhibitman

How do we feel about 1977-79 Sportscasters? I found a few at a recent card show and picked up Villeneuve, Sheckter, Cevert, Andretti, and Moss. Nice looking cards. Also found a 1970 Fleer Graham Hill for a buck.

I think they're great, especially since there's not a lot of mainstream F1 cards from that era to begin with, so I think you have to like anything oddball if you collect Formula 1 and related cards.

...and this is about as "mainstream" as you'll get...they just don't have the requisite dimensions, for a lot of people to like them as "cards".

Lots of them also have great images on them. The Niki Lauda card in particular is one of the more horrific images ever put on a sports card, but is redeemed by the fact it turned into such an inspirational story.

[Bored5000]

Like a lot of other cards recently, the 1972 STP Petty has come back to earth at least somewhat. A PSA 6 ended at $1,580 a few days ago. Last August, a PSA 5 went for $3,100

https://www.ebay.com/itm/387008557868

Still crazy, considering that 1972 STP Petty cards would sit on eBay for a long time for under $300 pre-pandemic.