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Old 12-16-2019, 12:22 PM
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It could be an early sig. Threre are a couple of tells that occur in later sigs too but also some that are very different. With that said, I avoid anything these days if my conclusion is it "could be". I know it's a hard one to find, but tread carefully. Good luck.
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Old 04-06-2020, 04:03 PM
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Default Joe Jenkins Info Card

Bought a lot of 1919 Sox Heilbroner Info Cards which included a signed Dick Kerr but really was after this one. I feel ths "This is correct" is in Jenkins hand, but the pencil "Joseph" probably isnt. Anyone out there have a Joe jenkins autograph? This is the closest I have come
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The Reds is the cover of the Roto section in the Chicago Sunday Tribune on Sept 21, 1919.

The Sox is a blank backed supplement to the same paper dated a week earlier (Sept 14, 1919).

Both are about 12 X 17.5 inches.

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Got excited when I saw this. It doesn't really fit in my collection so I may end up moving it when something comes along that is more of a fit, but I think it is super cool.

One of the most fascinating people around. Some of the details on the back.
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Got excited when I saw this. It doesn't really fit in my collection so I may end up moving it when something comes along that is more of a fit, but I think it is super cool.

One of the most fascinating people around. Some of the details on the back.
WOW. I have a few of those cards for Johnny Pesky and one or two others, but that one is AWESOME!!!
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WOW. I have a few of those cards for Johnny Pesky and one or two others, but that one is AWESOME!!!
Thanks! I saw it and thought it was super cool. Love that he signed his name and included details on the back (like playing under the name "Arnold" etc. Some things I would have thought he might have kept quiet.
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This all just came together recently..


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Picked up this circa 1940s-50s print of what is labeled the 1920 White Sox, but is the 1919 Sox. The presence of what appears to be Dave Danforth (3rd from left) and Frank Shellenback (6th from left) would date this picture to the 1919 season. While not labeled here is my identification:

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Kid Gleason, Lefty Williams, Dave Danforth, Eddie Collins, Joe Jenkins, Frank Shellenback, Dickie Kerr, Grover Lowdermilk, Ray Schalk, Eddie Cicotte, Reb Russell, Happy Felsch, Shano Collins, ?Chick Gandil?, Eddie Murphy, Fred McMullin, Swede Risberg, Joe Jackson, Hervey McClellan, Nemo Leibold, Buck Weaver, Byrd Lynn
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Picked up this circa 1940s-50s print of what is labeled the 1920 White Sox, but is the 1919 Sox. The presence of what appears to be Dave Danforth (3rd from left) and Frank Shellenback (6th from left) would date this picture to the 1919 season. While not labeled here is my identification:

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Kid Gleason, Lefty Williams, Dave Danforth, Eddie Collins, Joe Jenkins, Frank Shellenback, Dickie Kerr, Grover Lowdermilk, Ray Schalk, Eddie Cicotte, Reb Russell, Happy Felsch, Shano Collins, ?Chick Gandil?, Eddie Murphy, Fred McMullin, Swede Risberg, Joe Jackson, Hervey McClellan, Nemo Leibold, Buck Weaver, Byrd Lynn
Love that photo. The semii-formal poses are great. The background, with the arches of Comiskey Park, sets it up terrifically.
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Default Pro model bat

Aside from a few Joe Jackson, Eddie Collins, and Ray Schalk bats, there are not all that many Black Sox bats in the hobby. So, I offer this Reb Russell bat as a Black Sox piece. Reb's model seems to have been popular with other players: I believe that even after he retired other players would order his model, with his signature, for their own use. But this one is said to match his orders from H&B. True, Reb didn't contribute much to the Sox in 1919. He pitched to a couple of batters with poor results. But he did play for them in 1919!
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Default 1917 Collins-McCarthy's

I was too slow to land the Felsch and not interested in the "Lefty Williams" with the wrong picture (Hugh High). Great looking cards with the Collins-McCarthy Baseball's Hall of Fame backs. Was told they were cut from a sheet which is why the A grades (my picture does not do them justice)
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My first attempt at making a display for my Black Sox cards...not perfect but not a bad first attempt...just need one more to complete the collection
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Thomas, cool display piece! Good luck on getting a Jackson card to complete it!
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Default Risberg Checklist Completed

Would like to see some folks' recent pickups...

I'm going to make a couple of posts in here this week after a few big pickups for me thanks to a net54 member

Picked up my last Risberg card, 1916 Zeenut, to complete his 3 card checklist (I dont count the 1917-18 Team set as only one set is known to exist)

It's not perfect obviously, a scrapbook removal with some staining and writing with trimmed down edges, but the image is great!

...Now ISO 1915 Zeenuts of Williams and Burns, and a nice low-mid level 1915 Cicotte Cracker Jack...and a W514 Jackson of course...
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Nice pickup Thomas, and good luck finding a nice 1915 Cicotte CJ. I got mine about 30 years ago but misplaced it for many years when we moved. Fortunately found it 3 years ago in an old briefcase along with some forgotten autographs.
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Nice pickup Thomas, and good luck finding a nice 1915 Cicotte CJ. I got mine about 30 years ago but misplaced it for many years when we moved. Fortunately found it 3 years ago in an old briefcase along with some forgotten autographs.
Same damn thing happened to me! I had a nice raw one...probably about a 5 grade I bought about 20+ years ago... kept it in one of those thick screw down holders and it disappeared. Unfortunately I have never found it and have decided it must have been stolen by a college roommate
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This month picked up a Felsch signature and the 1916 Risberg, last month I added the 1917 Collins-McCarthy Felsch.

Plus the last 2 months picked up signed photos of the White Sox clubhouse attendants the Colledge brothers and a signed AP of mascot/batboy Eddie Bennett.
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Picked up 2 signed documents to round out signatures of the 1919 White Sox front office staff.

Owner - Charles Comiskey
1910 signed letter

Business Manager - Norris O'Neill
1912 Western League signed pass

to go along with my...

Team Secretary - Harry Grabiner
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Treasurer/Traveling Secretary - John Louis Comiskey
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Do those bats ever come up for auction?
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Thomas, you've had one heck of a good year so far on the Black Sox collection. Can't wait to see what's next.
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Thomas - I am sort of a Joe Jenkins fan. Very long story. Does his memorabilia come up at all? I wouldn’t even know where to look.

Great stuff, by the way!
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Thomas - I am sort of a Joe Jenkins fan. Very long story. Does his memorabilia come up at all? I wouldn’t even know where to look.

Great stuff, by the way!
I have never seen a signature of his for sale outside one being in the Jack Smalling collection...I think Kevin Keating had one once upon a time maybe as well. That info card with his hand written note is closest I have ever come. He has baseball cards (zeenuts) and type 1 photos that come up for auction every so often.

I get the impression he would have been a fun guy to hang around, I read an interview he gave later in life where he basically said he was very happy being the 3rd string catcher. He also wrote letters to Comiskey from over seas while he served in WW1 that were printed in the papers that are a fun read.
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One of my favorite collecting niches, 1919 Black Sox. There`s always great items being added to this thread, the latest continuing that trend. Always on the lookout for "affordable" B Sox related pieces and this one fit the bill. Not sure if it was here or read somewhere else but, supposedly soon after Chick Gandil was acquired by the White Sox he had these clothing items charged to Charles Comisky. Of course Comisky had never heard of the arrangement and kept this in his scrapbook to apparently recoup payment from Chick. Now that must have been an interesting conversation.
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Old 04-05-2021, 07:40 AM
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That's a very cool piece!

Was part of Comiskey's scrapbook and there was a letter accompanying the bill that sold at auction not to long ago. I dont own it but did grab pictures of it.
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I have never seen a signature of his for sale outside one being in the Jack Smalling collection...I think Kevin Keating had one once upon a time maybe as well. That info card with his hand written note is closest I have ever come. He has baseball cards (zeenuts) and type 1 photos that come up for auction every so often.

I get the impression he would have been a fun guy to hang around, I read an interview he gave later in life where he basically said he was very happy being the 3rd string catcher. He also wrote letters to Comiskey from over seas while he served in WW1 that were printed in the papers that are a fun read.
His brother - William - made it big in Mexico. Some crazy backstory, too. As for my fascination with Joe:

Mid to late 80s, my friend Billy and I were trying to round out the 1919 White Sox on Micro League Baseball. We had to field 25 players and spent an afternoon pouring over the baseball encyclopedia for any player that had at bats for the team. We stumbled upon Joe Jenkins. I believe his birthday was in October and my buddy, Billy, was born in October. He passed away in late June. School let out in late June. Joe Jenkins became a hero for us.

To see if someone was telling the truth, we’d say: “Swear on Joe Jenkins!” and the other, if they were being completely honest, would reply “I swear on Joe Jenkins”. There was a penalty if that oath was ever broken.

I still see Billy from time to time and Joe’s name still gets bandied about.

The little I’ve read on him does indeed make him seem like an interesting character. I got to check out those baseball cards...
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Thomas - I can’t thank you enough for sending Mr Jenkins my way. You are a true mensch ! Thank you...thank you 1000x
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Way too cool a story for you not to have a Joe Jenkins card! You're very welcome!
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Very cool!
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I dont know if we are suppose to post cards in this topic/thread or not...Im just realizing that...but I picked up a 1912 Zeenut Home Run Kisses Win Noyes which completes his 4 card checklist for me (I think)
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I figured I'd never get a Lefty Williams auto, so I went ahead and picked up this. I don't get a lot of relic cards, but I thought this would go well with my display.
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what is it?
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what is it?
It's a piece of his bat...and yes I know he was a pitcher but he was an ok hitter so I hear. Anyway, it is what it is.
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Finally won a Fred McMullin photo...and just like over on the card side I just need a Joe Jackson to round out my 8 men out

From RMY's latest auction...I lost out on two great McMullin photos in the last year or so and even though this one is kind of small I will take it...great image
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Just picked up this Landis from Mr. Jim Stinson (damn I missed you Jim). Looks like it will get here just in time for my birthday. Yeah me. LOL
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Just picked up this Landis from Mr. Jim Stinson (damn I missed you Jim). Looks like it will get here just in time for my birthday. Yeah me. LOL
Congrats Mike! Happy birthday.
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Congrats Mike! Happy birthday.
Thanks Scott! It's been a pretty good year so far. Hope you're doing well.
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Very nice Landis
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Thanks Thomas!
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My first attempt at making a display for my Black Sox cards...not perfect but not a bad first attempt...just need one more to complete the collection
Very well done, IMO.
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Default The National Pickups?

I have never been to "The National" and Im curious if anyone has ever picked up some great 1919 World Series/Black Sox items ever at any of the past Nationals?
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Default Kid Gleason & Joe Jenkins Photos

My keepers from a Hunt vintage photo lot

Stamped Feb 1919 action photo of 3rd string catcher Joe Jenkins, though this photo had to have been taken sometime in 1917

Stamped Sept 1919 photo of Kid Gleason on the road...looks like Fred McMullin in the background leaning on a bat but not 100% sure
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That Jenkins picture is amazing
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That Jenkins picture is amazing
Thxs. It was the reason I bid (so high!) on the lot. Been wondering if it would be worth sending to an expert that can touch up the newspaper marks?
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Thxs. It was the reason I bid (so high!) on the lot. Been wondering if it would be worth sending to an expert that can touch up the newspaper marks?
I am a big fan of leaving stuff as it is.
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I am a big fan of leaving stuff as it is.
Agreed do not touch it up. It adds character and to me takes away from the piece if you "touch it up"

Great Post and Love all the Black Sox Pickups in this thread. (although I focus more on Joe Jackson then the rest)
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Steve those are great additions Sir, enjoy those pick ups. Gotta love The Buck !
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