What is a scrap? Please explain.

[Sean]

Originally Posted by mrvster

Sean...we have true "no namers" here

Actually, it turns out that I don't. The Tinker has significant paper loss at the bottom. That is why the name is missing.

But still a really cool overprint.

[Bigb13]

What is your problem

[Sean]

Originally Posted by Bigb13

It that is 9k then what do you think Poland is worth?

What's my problem? Well, since you asked:

Your original premise is flawed. The card on ebay is not worth $9,000. If it was, someone would have bought it. In fact it belongs to Dan M., a board member and serious collector. But Dan likes to put his best cards on ebay with unrealistic BINs. I think he does it to show the cards, but if someone wants to pay way more than they're worth, then Dan will take it.

The other board members know this. That's why Rob said $25k. He was joking. If I'm wrong Rob will come here and correct me.

Remember on your Cobb/ Lenox thread when you said people told you it was a $25k card, and Jeff asked if any of those people actually offered to buy it at that price? Jeff isn't serious when he says $25-35k. Again, if I'm wrong Jeff can smack me down.

Or maybe I'm way off. Just prove me wrong. List your card on ebay or with an AH. If you get $25k I will gladly apologize. It won't be my first apology on Net54. But actually sell it for that price. Heck, sell it for half that and I'll admit I was wrong.

[Bigb13]

Boy someone asks me to post a card and all of a sudden I am in the middle of drama you like fooling around with people do it with someone else.

[mrvster]

Rob D -

you never has anything truly positive to say when it comes to this subject......everytime a value comes up, you have to revert to the "broadleaf 460 comparison in rarity"...comments I have made..at first, I thought you were just joking....... wtf??? dude, that is EXTREMELY LAME of you.............don't understand your beef....



I have never claimed to be anything more than a regular guy who loves T206 ...

I could give a rats ass what you think about my observations.....get over it!

scrap i have been collecting them since the late 90's.....doesn't matter if 206 scrap value is 1 k, or 100 k, I still love them....so Rob D, sorry you missed the boat, don't be a sore LOSER


Jeff- your comments I LOVE you are great people, and never poke fun at my scrap enthusiasm like some other collectors who become jealous...your sarcastic humor I enjoy, unlike someone else


Rob (BIGB)- your Poland I passed on for $750.00 in early 2000.....I am kicking myself ever since....!! so let me actually try to explain rarity pricing on scrap(may apply to other 206 rarities or other rarities similar in the hobby

EXTREMELY hard to assign a value to any of these scraps....each one is like a tiny piece of ART....


ok- here comes my business degree talking/engineering background:


some scraps appeal greatly to some , especially subject matter or "error type" on the card...

do we really need a formula here

uh.hmmmmmmmmmmmmm.i say NO









things to take into consideration-

variables:


1) market size???? -

growing greatly due to the exposure of scrap and education/understanding of them now......within last 15 years, the learning curve has been exponential!
before collectors thought they were "beaters"....they were "garbage"...well, now, it comes to fruition , the truth.....they were never meant to be!!!!..these mistakes became a "chase type card"..and turned out tiny pieces of "freaky" art.....almost "folkish" litho art.....hidden within these "freaks" are the key to the print process......some are even spooky and creepy THOSE I LOVE!


2) supply vs. demand-

how many over print ghost player scraps have you seen over the years???

well, I know, they aren't many......extremely rare, and each one unique onto themselves......

my Bender I wouldn't dream of less than 20 K....matter of fact, I have been offered close to that from other collectors, but I don't really sell my cards.....maybe some smaller ones....one day, they will be going toward wagz

The merritt/Crawford in Goodwin recently went past 15 k if I remember correctly????

these front overprint ghosts are too rare to assign a value....

I bet the Poland goes past 15 k that in a good venue, but I HATE to assign any price to these, they are too rare

but alas, I shot myself in the foot, because I can't afford it

3) subject matter- self explanatory

4) back - blank back scraps with an error/ rarer back( have seen almost no rare back scraps....nothing past a sov or epdg......I would love to see like a lenox scrap ect

5) card condition - I actually like my scrap a little beat up! adds more character....truly get the sense of it being "scrap" but some may prefer a cleaner example....which is almost "oxymoronic" considering these were actually little pieces of garbage

6) type of scrap- upside down ghost?? multi strike back??HOW DRAMATIC IS IT?? a big factor




these are some factors to consider when trying to estimate a value of these scrap...

but, inmho, they are priceless

[Bigb13]

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[drcy]

I haven't read the entire thread and may be repeating what has already been said, but 'scraps' refers to two different antique card stock things.

1) The beat up, hand cut 'scrapped' cards-- ala T206s

and

2) the little Victorian era factory die cut pieces that were commonly pasted into album pages:

Pertaining to #2, a scrapbook filled with Victorian scraps and die cuts.


The below well known baseball card is a #2

[calvindog]

John, I like the scraps as well but I have to control myself -- otherwise I'll have a whole new area of collecting I'll become obsessed with.

[atx840]

Amazing proof Jeff!

[Sean]

Hey Jeff, do you know why PSA wrote trimmed on the flip? Do they consider hand cut and trimmed to be the same thing? With a missing color scrap, I just assume it to be hand cut.

[mrvster]

thanks for throwing that in!

for our purposes here......we are referring to the "printer's scrap", especially t206

thanks always for your great input...

JEFF
I truly feel you have one of the best "eyes" in the hobby.....your collection is RIDICULOUS!

truly one of the best collections out there! btw....these scraps are like potato chips, tough to get just one or two

Sean...

one word- CLUELESS!!

psa didn't even know how to grade these back then......all scrap got the label "trimmed" or at least most of them.....back in the day, they didn't even holder blank backs

submit blank backs to psa, they would come back "no holder" or "no voucher" or "factory misprint" and not come back holdered

[mrvster]

btw , the proof is incredible!!!!!

they were originally found in the same collection as the t206 proofs...

I talked to Rob Lifson about the find last year....

was a pleasure....you have a true piece of history there....very impressive sir!

[mrvster]

the ghost image catcher on the back??????????????????????????? of the proof????????????

holy cow! am I seeing things??

[freakhappy]

Originally Posted by mrvster

the ghost image catcher on the back??????????????????????????? of the proof????????????

holy cow! am I seeing things??

Johnny...you're a MONSTER when it comes to this stuff

I think the ghost image on the back of the T3 was discussed in a thread a while ago. I believe the catcher is Kleinow...

[ZenPop]

I know it's not T206... but still excited that I just picked up this one...

1951 Bowman strip of two cards... overprint... front and back...





T206s are often out of my price range... but I'll keep looking!

[mrvster]

Your the Man!

Zen,

if you search hard enough, some times you'll find a 206 scrap "hidden" in a lot for cheap


it's like a treasure hunt

btw.......GREAT CARDS!

[calvindog]

Originally Posted by freakhappy

Johnny...you're a MONSTER when it comes to this stuff

I think the ghost image on the back of the T3 was discussed in a thread a while ago. I believe the catcher is Kleinow...

Yes, that is Red Kleinow's ghost image on the back of the Chase proof.

And Sean, what John said -- the grading companies have been all over the place when slabbing these cards with no rhyme or reason on which got an A designation.

[joeadcock]

This part of collecting, I know little of. What is opinion on this card?
Worn as it is.

[atx840]

Frank, I'm pretty sure that's just a damaged card.

You must have a real scrap tucked away somewhere

[joeadcock]

Chris

Thanks for being the first to answer.
Your wisdom has no bounds..........

[mrvster]

+1~

if even one border was "large" and "wavy" would be a lock as scrap even in that cond!