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You don't get that Brent Mastro was in on the trimming card scam from the beginning? ., maybe they'll sue PSA for the $$$ and continue to deny deny deny, right calvindog?
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Still looking to hear from someone who was made right by PSA. Perhaps the FBI should be pressuring them equally (if they aren't already...) If PSA is let off the hook for their thousands of "mistakes" then it's a huge black eye for the hobby. |
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Not if they submitted the cards which I am sure in many cases they did.
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Well, they can try. More likely they'd get a breach of contract countersuit?
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PWCC would not sue PSA in the first place for cards it submitted, or for cards consigned to it by known doctors.
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I wonder if during the PWCC office Christmas party 'Secret Santa,' the most common $20 or less gift is a new pair of scissors??
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Didn't the guy here with the altered T3 get a reimbursement directly from PSA?
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yes but he bought it from Dan McKee, not PWCC.
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also why bring up suing, they can submit a claim. Doesnt have to be a lawsuits..why so quick to bring up lawsuit. Some people pay based on a letter Last edited by 1952boyntoncollector; 11-01-2019 at 04:21 PM. |
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I think PSA should pay the price for their inabilities to do their job, but forgers and liars should also pay a price. Last edited by drcy; 11-01-2019 at 06:38 PM. |
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so PWCC can refund and then collect from PSA....so buck can still end with PSA .. (net54 members has asked why would pwcc refund when it should be psa, so this gives one explanation on some of the cards at least) Last edited by 1952boyntoncollector; 11-01-2019 at 07:18 PM. |
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I would guess most of the doctored cards they handled, they knew about. Not all of course.
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Peters point above is what I was referencing in my original post about this subject. Please do not take that I am in favor of any company or person that alters cards- I am not. Regardless of who is submitting these cards, as the industry leader they need to detect the alterations. Relying on the submitter to sign the submission form stating they haven’t altered the cards is simply an easy way out for them to pass the buck. The reason I submit cards and my money to them is to make sure they haven’t been altered. I’m an honest guy but I hope PSA doesn’t take only my word when I submit that the cards in the grading order aren’t altered. Looking over at BODA, it seems that they rely on that disclaimer and trust of the submitter to often.
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It’s all a bunch of garbage finger pointing/cover up’s Card Doctor, Shady Auction Houses, and PSA’s Inabilities/lack of responsibilities are gonna tank the card industry. Greed :-(....sad Last edited by Johnny630; 11-01-2019 at 09:08 PM. |
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Even 50 don't seem to be tanking it. It's the Teflon Hobby.
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Stuff. Need I say the rest?
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You need to add a few 0s to that to be even close to the number of bad people in the hobby. Your number is way closer to the honest people.
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It's like the ancient Greek Diogenes, searching for an honest man.
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Stuff but more importantly the answer is always money. So many collectors and dealers are in up to their ears with PSA, and it's their livelihood for many of them, they can't quit their sacred cow....even if it is producing sour milk. Who cares if it is a fraudulent card, it is in a holder. LOL.....Remember, we are just troublemakers. Kudos again to the guys over on Blowout for all of the fraud exposed so far. I am sure it will be going on for as long as they want to look. It is sad.
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i really havent seen anyone posting about getting a refund or resolving a dispute on this thread for awhile
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A couple months ago I received an unsolicited email from PWCC that they suspected a 1969 PSA 9 Clemente I had won the year prior might be altered. I sent it to them and a week later i received a check for the full auction price. Nothing to sign etc. Brief communication and refund.
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Let's hold off on congratulating the crooks for covering their asses...
Likely on the advice of counsel.
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Whatever the motivation, and I am completely cynical about that, it's better than the nothing that most industry players apparently are doing.
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Fraudulently holdered cards.
They are still worth money just not in the holders they are in. And at a fraction of the price.
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I can't post it too many times.
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