Show...me...your print variations!

[Baseballcrazy62]

Is there generally a premium for the 1958 Slaughter that is missing the blank ink on the back? I recently found one in my collection and then did a quick search on EBay and didn’t see any. Just curious.

[Cliff Bowman]

Originally Posted by Baseballcrazy62

Is there generally a premium for the 1958 Slaughter that is missing the blank ink on the back? I recently found one in my collection and then did a quick search on EBay and didn’t see any. Just curious.

It is extremely rare. The only two that I know of are one that Al R. got on a pricey Buy-It-Now on eBay three years ago, and an unlisted one that I luckily found from Dean's Cards a year or so ago. The one I got was of course over priced considering it was from Dean's if it was just a normally printed 1958 Slaughter in very good condition, but being the rare print flaw version I was happy to pay the $17 or whatever it was. These types of cards are a niche only pursued by a small percentage of vintage collectors, most collectors either ignore them or look down upon those who collect them, but all it takes is two fervent bidders to fight over a very rare desired item.

[Baseballcrazy62]

Cliff: Thanks for the quick response. Here is the picture of the back of the card.D14C527D-C62E-476A-B8B3-ED661EFA2589.jpg

[Cliff Bowman]

Originally Posted by Baseballcrazy62

Cliff: Thanks for the quick response. Here is the picture of the back of the card.Attachment 374880

Wow, it looks like it is very well centered and in nice condition, much better than my off centered soft cornered one.

[MikeGarcia]

..top edge was as much ripped from the sheet as it was "cut" ; yet this is a somewhat rare defect in the '57's from what I've seen....many many other defects exist though , with centering being at the tiptop of my bitchlist....I love this set ; completing a total totally complete , '57 set is a fun challenge and just wait 'til you try for both vars of the 4/5 checklists....

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[1963Topps Set]

Originally Posted by MikeGarcia

..top edge was as much ripped from the sheet as it was "cut" ; yet this is a somewhat rare defect in the '57's from what I've seen....many many other defects exist though , with centering being at the tiptop of my bitchlist....I love this set ; completing a total totally complete , '57 set is a fun challenge and just wait 'til you try for both vars of the 4/5 checklists....

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I can vouch with what you stated. I have completed the 1957 Topps set with all checklist variations, but they are a BITCH! Especially checklists 4 / 5!

[Sliphorn]

Originally Posted by Cliff Bowman

It is extremely rare. The only two that I know of are one that Al R. got on a pricey Buy-It-Now on eBay three years ago, and an unlisted one that I luckily found from Dean's Cards a year or so ago. The one I got was of course over priced considering it was from Dean's if it was just a normally printed 1958 Slaughter in very good condition, but being the rare print flaw version I was happy to pay the $17 or whatever it was. These types of cards are a niche only pursued by a small percentage of vintage collectors, most collectors either ignore them or look down upon those who collect them, but all it takes is two fervent bidders to fight over a very rare desired item.

I also have one, so that makes three for sure.

[Cliff Bowman]

Originally Posted by Sliphorn

I also have one, so that makes three for sure.

Four, now . I just found another 58 Drabowsky on Dean’s Cards, so the 58 cards affected might not be as rare as I thought. Only one 58 Jolly is known of, hopefully a few more show up.

[Sliphorn]

Notice the orange blobs. There are MANY of these on COMC and eBay for sale.

[ejstel]

1969 variation.

Hi does anyone happen to have a 1969 Washburn with white arm band pic available?

"Var=White slash bottom left corner plus white arm band"

I have seen the white slash bottom left but haven't noticed a variation/arm band...maybe I am missing something.

Thanks again.

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[ALR-bishop]

Do not have and have not seen the white arm band version. I do have 2 versions of the white slash at the left bottom border. In one it is all white and in the other it has a reddish or brownish mark in the white slash.

Where have you seen the white band listed ? Brightair ( Dingman) ?

Another variant collector ? What years ?

Welcome to the thread

[packs]

Sun damage or not I still think this blue box Mantle is a sweet card:

[swarmee]

1960 Topps - [Base] #526 - Paul Giel [Good*to*VG‑EX]
Courtesy of COMC.com

Recurring two yellow streaks in inset.

[Tripredacus]

Originally Posted by ejstel

1969 variation.

Hi does anyone happen to have a 1969 Washburn with white arm band pic available?

"Var=White slash bottom left corner plus white arm band"

Originally Posted by ALR-bishop

Do not have and have not seen the white arm band version.

Could it be something like this:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/362853762069

There is white on the shoulder on down past the elbow... and really looks like it goes down to the mark at the bottom.

Present in this one also: https://www.ebay.com/itm/233196339512

Otherwise if it is not that, it could be either a print error on the player in the background on the front, or perhaps on the cartoon guy on the back.

[ALR-bishop]

Trip— Not sure what the variant ejstel is looking for involves. Hopefully he will respond

[savedfrommyspokes]

Here are the four different that I have: the first is the smaller corner slash (no arm band), second is the larger corner slash with arm band (tough to see in scan), my excess yellow copy, and the copy with some left border missing. I think ejstel is referring to the 2nd copy (with red circle).

[Cliff Bowman]

Originally Posted by sb1

Not baseball, but an unusual 1970-71 Topps B-ball card with partially printed frame line.

Cool! I just now seen this one, I missed it before. There are a handful on eBay so it doesn't appear to be rare. I found a scan of an uncut sheet to see who was on each side of Haskins, but neither Willie McCarter to the left or Don Ohl to the right have the black border line.

[ALR-bishop]

Thanks for posting those Larry

[ejstel]

Re 1969 Washburn
...hi thank you I think it is the white on white arm line that I wasn't noticing in my search.

I had seen it listed in this lis (link below) but couldn't identify...

https://sites.google.com/site/richar...ns-1960---1969

Also thank you for posting all - and the yellow wash card... interesting.

Best,
Ed

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[ALR-bishop]

That is Richard Dingman's site. Great resource. He is a member and sometimes posts in this thread as brightair

[4reals]

Been a while since I contributed, forgive me if these have already been mentioned.

1973 Topps Rau rookie with black ink missing. I’ve seen quite a few, not super hard to het one.




On the 62s you see the neon green color a lot because of the solution used to clean the printing plates. On the right card it completely wiped out the “r” in Cards. Haven’t seen another and I’ll trade it for a cool Dodgers print defect if anyone has one I don’t already have.




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[frankhardy]

Does anyone know if the bottom two Ray Washburn cards (the excess yellow and the faded left border)....are they reoccurring?

Originally Posted by savedfrommyspokes

Here are the four different that I have: the first is the smaller corner slash (no arm band), second is the larger corner slash with arm band (tough to see in scan), my excess yellow copy, and the copy with some left border missing. I think ejstel is referring to the 2nd copy (with red circle).

[savedfrommyspokes]

I have only one copy of the card with the extra yellow, however, I have a second copy of the card with parts of the left border missing. While I have not seen another copy with the extra yellow, I would imagine that it is recurring to some extent.

[Cliff Bowman]

I mentioned this on the new variation site but it was probably confusing to most people reading it. I have shown these here before but I never mentioned the coolest part about them. The 1980 Topps cards of Ruppert Jones and Mike Vail can be found with a printing flaw where something partially blocked the final black ink print run. The 1980 Topps cards of Phil Niekro and Lee Mazzilli can also be found with the nearly identical print flaw. After some investigating I realized that Jones and Vail were the last two cards on the eighth horizontal row of the B* sheet and that the Niekro and Mazzilli cards were in the same exact spot on the D* sheet, the last two cards on the eighth horizontal row. That tells me that the blockage was on the printing press, so that when the full 264 card A* and B* sheet was put through the printing process a certain number of the sheets were printed with the flaw. At some point the 264 card A* and B* sheet was replaced by the 264 card C* and D* sheet with the blockage still on the printing press so that a certain number of that sheet were also printed with the same identical flaw. I have never been able to find any examples of the two cards in that spot on the F* sheet, the Yankees team card and the Indians team card, so I don't know if it also affected the 264 card E* and F* sheet.

[ALR-bishop]

Great detective work Cliff

[savedfrommyspokes]

Found this fairly limited recurring print anomaly along the bottom edge on the 63 LeMaster card. Seems that 2 of about 200 cards available (ebay, comc) have this print defect. Before Cliff can ask, yes, I looked at the card that borders along the bottom edge to see if the anomaly carried over onto that card (#69 Zipfel) and did not see anything conclusive (except for the one below with a mark that does not appear to match up).

[BradH]

I found this Ray Nitschke in a big lot of 1969 Topps football cards that I recently picked up. There are 6-7 Nitschke cards in the lot and when I first sorted through them I buzzed past this one, assuming some kid years ago had used a marker or paint on it.

Upon closer inspection, the blue coloring is IN the card, not ON it. Kinda cool and I'll add it to my growing collection of "print freaks," which has become a fun side interest for me.

[Republicaninmass]

Just picked this up. Busted yellow plate

Notice the white area of where cardinals logo should be yellow, is the same as the yellow in the white name box.

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[Econteachert205]

A Yaz with lots of yellow and some white print anomalies as well.

[savedfrommyspokes]

Nice find Dennis....a while back I came across both an extra yellow copy (right sleeve, back ground/clouds) and an extra red copy (top of hat, background stands).

[savedfrommyspokes]

Found this 71 T Hisle card with what looks like some non-factory ink spilled on the card while out in circulation. However, it seems to be a print variant afterall as I was able to locate another copy of this card with what appears to be the same print anomaly but with far less ink. It almost looks like during the printing process someone tried to but was not able to remove all signs of this anomaly in subsequent printings. Anyone else have a copy of either?

[Cliff Bowman]

Battersbox on eBay has a nice copy of the lighter version... well they did two minutes ago anyway .

[irv]

Originally Posted by Republicaninmass

Just picked this up. Busted yellow plate

Notice the white area of where cardinals logo should be yellow, is the same as the yellow in the white name box.
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Hi Ted.

What's your take on my recently purchased Walker Cooper card? Not near as much yellow as yours but I assume the same/similar story?

[steve B]

Originally Posted by savedfrommyspokes

Found this 71 T Hisle card with what looks like some non-factory ink spilled on the card while out in circulation. However, it seems to be a print variant afterall as I was able to locate another copy of this card with what appears to be the same print anomaly but with far less ink. It almost looks like during the printing process someone tried to but was not able to remove all signs of this anomaly in subsequent printings. Anyone else have a copy of either?

That's a crazy one. There must have been something spilled on some part of the camera equipment for it to have ended up on both the black and magenta plates (maybe others too? )

[Cliff Bowman]

I posted this 1977 Topps recurring print flaw a few years ago on this thread, I figured I would have an update of it with new additions. I still haven't found examples of Charlie Williams, Larry Biittner, Andres Mora, Jim Bibby, Bruce Boisclair, Gaylord Perry, and I am always looking for better examples and upgrades of the ones I have.

[savedfrommyspokes]

Cliff, since you first posted about this, I have found a few....the Roberts, DaVanon and Bibby I had not seen before. What is interesting is that some copies of the same card have varying levels of this anomaly showing. The Foster I show has much less than yours and on the two Dobson cards the difference is quite noticeable. The Bonham and Reed are non-related variants.

[Cliff Bowman]

Originally Posted by savedfrommyspokes

Cliff, since you first posted about this, I have found a few....the Roberts, DaVanon and Bibby I had not seen before. What is interesting is that some copies of the same card have varying levels of this anomaly showing. The Foster I show has much less than yours and on the two Dobson cards the difference is quite noticeable. The Bonham and Reed are non-related variants.

You are right about the varying degrees, ideally I am trying to end up with examples that are 50/50 right down the middle. My Alan Foster goes a little too far and I would like to end up with one closer to yours. I have a Boisclair but it doesn't match the pattern at all, too large and it wound up on the wrong side. Your Bibby would fit in perfectly because it is roughly 50/50, and your Dobson would be a better example than mine. I believe you also have an Aurelio Rodriguez that is a better example than mine. The Roberts and the DaVanon are from different sheets, I have some that are from different sheets but they are so rare and random that I haven't been able to pick up patterns of which cards are affected on those sheets. The Bonham is on a different sheet and is recurring. It also affects the Tiant next to it, but it is much less on the Tiant.

[Exhibitman]

Takes a lot to impress me given that I've been chasing printing flaws for years, but these two definitely got my attention:



1971 Topps blackless



1972 Topps flipped stock.

Best of all, got 'em here on the BST.

[Mark70Z]

Originally Posted by Exhibitman

Takes a lot to impress me given that I've been chasing printing flaws for years, but these two definitely got my attention:

The 1971 looks like a progressive proof to me.

[Exhibitman]

I thought so too but the back is completely printed.

[Mark70Z]

Originally Posted by Exhibitman

I thought so too but the back is completely printed.

Adam,

Not sure if you remember, but a few years ago there was a thread on a 1971 Steve Garvey card that looked like the Cards team picture with the blue color borders and looked a bit unfinished. That Garvey card had the finished back as well. I remember Steve (steve B) stating it's possible they weren't progressive proofs, but were unfinished in some way at the printers (at least that's how I remember it; I may have to look it up).

[ALR-bishop]

Some of these have been on ebay for awhile. Regular backs

[savedfrommyspokes]

Originally Posted by Cliff Bowman

You are right about the varying degrees, ideally I am trying to end up with examples that are 50/50 right down the middle. My Alan Foster goes a little too far and I would like to end up with one closer to yours. I have a Boisclair but it doesn't match the pattern at all, too large and it wound up on the wrong side. Your Bibby would fit in perfectly because it is roughly 50/50, and your Dobson would be a better example than mine. I believe you also have an Aurelio Rodriguez that is a better example than mine. The Roberts and the DaVanon are from different sheets, I have some that are from different sheets but they are so rare and random that I haven't been able to pick up patterns of which cards are affected on those sheets. The Bonham is on a different sheet and is recurring. It also affects the Tiant next to it, but it is much less on the Tiant.

Thank you for letting me know about the Bonham, I did not know that was recurring. The Meyer card below has a near equal amount of coverage... I also came across the second Meyer with the hat distortion variation/one-off. The Pablo card is interesting because both copies have the recurring mark on the hat, but only one has the has this recurring anomaly. I wonder if a copy exists with the print anomaly and no mark on the hat? I have two with the anomaly and both have the hat flaw. The Hartzell card has what appears to me to be an unrelated spill, but I am not sure it if is part of this anomaly or not....

[Cliff Bowman]

I’ve never seen that 77 Dan Meyer with the print defects on the hat before, it freaked me out when I saw it. Every 77 Pablo Torrealba that I have ever seen with the ink washout flaw also has the lightning bolts by his head, I have never seen with the washout without the bolts.

[aronbenabe]

Adding to the mix...


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[richtree]

Comstock yellow and Metzger Black line.

[ALR-bishop]

Ok, richtree, you get a pass on the Metzger but if you have the Comstock yellow name you have to put up a better scan

[Sliphorn]

These newly-discovered variations keep on coming. Some guy listed the no dots version for a ton of money so I searched and found the one on eBay that does NOT have dots in his last name. There are several and possibly some on COMC as well. At least this is not a scarce one.

[ALR-bishop]

Good one Tom

[Cliff Bowman]

Originally Posted by ALR-bishop

Ok, richtree, you get a pass on the Metzger but if you have the Comstock yellow name you have to put up a better scan

I can't help with the Yellow Comstock but here are scans of the 1979 Topps Roger Metzger solid line and partial line variation cards.