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[G1911]

On the complete opposite end of the price spectrum, when I see the poster and album cuts cheap I'm grabbing them to go alongside my Ginter boxing set. These two are from the advertising poster. I still need a Jimmy Carroll N28 card to finish the N28/N29's, one will come along soon enough.

Smith was a British champion, Lannon a gatekeeper type. Both were not the scientific type of pugilist, Lannon is probably most known for being one of Sullivan's more frequent partners for staged exhibitions than for any of his real fights.

[Exhibitman]

Had a good night in Heritage...

[G1911]

Got a fresh batch of tough C52's, including a boxer and one card I needed, #83 Hoppe. Up to 95 out of the 109 cards for my set, with a large number of duplicates to trade.

[G1911]

An upgrade for once, even if it's still creased.

[G1911]

Picked these up recently, Wilson should be a welcome downgrade for my beater set. I don't really see why Wilson and Beecher wouldn't qualify for a number grade, but they'll be cracked out anyways. These slabs are clearly going to damage the cards even more as there is nothing holding them in position and even light handling bounces the card up and down into the top and bottom bars.

[Exhibitman]

If I might mix brands, I don't know why the submitter even bothers to get a bulls**t grade from a horses***t grading service in the first place.

[D. Bergin]

Picked up these two bout sheets/fight announcements a little while back. Likely unique in their survival (or close to it). They weren't giveaways, but nobody else seemed to have an interest in bidding on them.

No real superstars, but some Champions (self-described and otherwise), and lots of boxers who featured in tobacco sets of the day.

Found the name "Tug Collins" interesting. Wonder if that might have been Tug Wilson, who may have been in the area during that time period, and whose actual given name was "John Collins".

Also: "J. Carrol". Not sure if that's the "Jimmy Carroll" from the N28 A&G Set, or another Jimmy Carroll of that time period.

[G1911]

Looks live it is indeed Jimmy Carroll of the A&G set. Cyber Boxing Zone has that Jimmy Carroll fighting a J.H. O'Neal on October 31st, lining up perfectly. http://cyberboxingzone.com/boxing/carroll-jimmy.htm

Tug Collins I can't find a photo of. His Boxrec lists only 3 fights, against Duffy twice and Havlin. That's awfully high competition for a guy who never did anything else. https://boxrec.com/en/box-pro/64261. Wilson was in the US in 1882, returned to England to fight Mitchell in 1883, but was back in the US again in 1886 at the latest. I suspect this guy might be Tug Wilson.

Those are awesome pieces, Dave

[D. Bergin]

Originally Posted by G1911

Looks live it is indeed Jimmy Carroll of the A&G set. Cyber Boxing Zone has that Jimmy Carroll fighting a J.H. O'Neal on October 31st, lining up perfectly. http://cyberboxingzone.com/boxing/carroll-jimmy.htm

Tug Collins I can't find a photo of. His Boxrec lists only 3 fights, against Duffy twice and Havlin. That's awfully high competition for a guy who never did anything else. https://boxrec.com/en/box-pro/64261. Wilson was in the US in 1882, returned to England to fight Mitchell in 1883, but was back in the US again in 1886 at the latest. I suspect this guy might be Tug Wilson.

Those are awesome pieces, Dave

Thanks Greg. My anti-malware on my desktop is deathly afraid of Cyberboxingzone, so I wasn’t able to access Jimmy Carroll’s page there.

Was able to get it through your link on my phone though, so that pretty much settles it. I found it very interesting that Carroll had such a close association with George LaBlanche, who was also on that card.

Cyberboxingzone is great for a lot of fighters from that era and earlier, as they cover a lot of ground that Boxrec doesn’t recognize.They’re also great for tracking exhibition bouts that Boxrec doesn’t list for both newer and older era fighters.

Was bummed I couldn’t access them, and too paranoid of malware to make an exception for it in my program.

Tug was always a bit of an enigma, so wouldn’t be surprised if he was using his other name on occasion, for whatever reason.

[G1911]

Snagged a couple red backs for $20, which are pretty tough. Unfortunately they were two I had but I upgraded my absolute beaters. Going to be a long time before this set gets finished.

[G1911]

28/50 down for the T223's. This is the T set I have put the least effort into, as a clone of T220 that does not look as good. I need to rectify this effort and finish it, as the more the research progresses the more I think the separation into T220 and T223 does not really make much sense and they should be catalogued as one series (or Tolstoi should also be broken off also reflecting it's different issue period). With my T220 master set complete, this unfortunate cataloguing situation means I have to get them all.

[G1911]

And some more silver cardboard while I impatiently wait for my needs to crop up for sale or trade.

[Bill77]

Cool press photo of Gene Tunney I found on ebay.

[D. Bergin]

Originally Posted by Bill77

Cool press photo of Gene Tunney I found on ebay.

Damn, that Tuna is more then twice the size of Dempsey.

If Tunney actually caught it on that reel by himself (I'd have to guess he had a little bit of help), I'd imagine it had to be one of the toughest fights of his life....Dempsey and Greb included.

[G1911]

Fantastic, that's the coolest photo I've seen in a minute.

[D. Bergin]

Picked up a Thomas Hearns, Pipino Cuevas, Funk Brothers sticker sheet from Japan. Issued October 1981 by "Gong".

Earliest Hearns issue that I know of....if you want to call it a card. If not.......well..........then no.

Will go with my similar Salvador Sanchez issued a little earlier. Not quite the condition I wanted, but it's a crap shoot when you order these from overseas. There's also an Arguello I'll probably pick up when I see one I like that doesn't cost 30 bucks to ship over.

Not sure if there's any other boxers issued in sticker sheets like this during this time period. I know there's at least a couple other sheets that just have wrestlers on them.

Also came with a neat little retirement booklet for Boxing Hall of Famer, Yoko Gushiken.

[psychosem17]

John L. Sullivan cabinet and a trimmed cabinet of his manager Billy Madden.

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[psychosem17]

John L. Sullivan cabinet and a trimmed cabinet of his manager Billy Madden.

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[psychosem17]

John L. Sullivan cabinet and a trimmed cabinet of his manager Billy Madden.

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[G1911]

Hopefully some upgrades here for my nice set. Really not a fan of how the cards just bounce all over the place in the older PSA slabs; that cannot be good for preserving condition.

Still trying to positively identify who exactly Glover is with some certainty (thank you to Dave for identifying some possibilities). By random chance of what material survived T220 silver is one of the best documented and evidenced sets of the T/E card explosion in 1909-1912 but we still don't even know who one of the subjects really is. Love boxing-on-the-docks Burke's picture.

[Exhibitman]

The Sanchez is a card; I guess they switched formats later in that year?

[ShoeMan]

Painting.jpg



Just got painting back from the framer. My new favorite item!

[D. Bergin]

Originally Posted by Exhibitman

The Sanchez is a card; I guess they switched formats later in that year?

There is a sticker that's in a similar format to the Hearns I pictured. Both came out before the Hearns and Sanchez "Gong" cards.

[D. Bergin]

Originally Posted by ShoeMan

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Just got painting back from the framer. My new favorite item!

That's fantastic. Looks like it might be earlier then 1930's. Perhaps French? Maybe an original from a publication cartoon.

What size is it?

[ShoeMan]

Thanks. I can't wait to hang it.
It could be before 1930. It was listed as 1930's. No signature. I wouldn't know how to date it.
It is 4' x 1.5'.

[D. Bergin]

Originally Posted by ShoeMan

Thanks. I can't wait to hang it.
It could be before 1930. It was listed as 1930's. No signature. I wouldn't know how to date it.
It is 4' x 1.5'.

There were lots of similar illustrations in French and British boxing and sporting publications in the 1910's and 1920's.

That's a nice size piece you have.

[G1911]

1 more Dixie Queen off the list, thanks to the board again. Each Dixie Queen addition I get also completes a fighter run of all that boxers front/back combinations in the T220 family, which is a little bit of extra fun.

The border break is not present on the Burdick Collection's DQ Goldman or the one in the TCDB database, so it may or may not be a small recurring print variant. I'm not sure I want to know.

[G1911]

Kaufman/Kauffman with a tough back makes for 153 out of the 250 cards in T225-1. Doesn't need to be in pretty shape to please.

[Exhibitman]

Not new but newly graded...

[mikecala98]

Picked this up today. Appears original but I cannot find the artist or any info at all.





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[D. Bergin]

Artist looks like S. Parker. Also went by "SPARK".

https://www.cartoons.ac.uk/cartoonis...p/SParker.html

Unfortunately, not a lot of other easily accessible info using a surface level Google search.

[G1911]

I don't collect autographs or anything sports-related besides cards, but Fighting Dick Hyland here is a T card subject of special significance to my research projects as the only known surviving T card contract of any subject, boxing or otherwise (which I do not own but would love to buy ). Saw this on eBay for $25. In hand it's not a printed on signature but is clearly actually written on the photograph, and it looked close enough to other signature examples I googled. I am not fit to authenticate or judge signatures but it presumably isn't worth much of anything even if real and will just go well on my wall regardless.

The autograph, real or fake, is made out to Billy Mahoney, a prominent Northern California sportswriter who made the World Boxing Hall of Fame as a journalist.

[D. Bergin]

Originally Posted by G1911

I don't collect autographs or anything sports-related besides cards, but Fighting Dick Hyland here is a T card subject of special significance to my research projects as the only known surviving T card contract of any subject, boxing or otherwise (which I do not own but would love to buy ). Saw this on eBay for $25. In hand it's not a printed on signature but is clearly actually written on the photograph, and it looked close enough to other signature examples I googled. I am not fit to authenticate or judge signatures but it presumably isn't worth much of anything even if real and will just go well on my wall regardless.

The autograph, real or fake, is made out to Billy Mahoney, a prominent Northern California sportswriter who made the World Boxing Hall of Fame as a journalist.

Yup, looks good to me. I've sold a few of him at least, over the years. None for very much.

I believe Hyland and Mahoney were both regulars at the Ring Association Veteran Boxer Dinners and Events that were pretty common in the 50's and 60's.

Doesn't mean he's a "common" autograph...just that he's not very sought after for what's out there.

Amazing how little some of these old-timers will sell for when they pop up. Guys who aren't really remembered today, but were pretty prominent back when they fought.

[D. Bergin]

Hyland was in several "This is a Big Deal" type fights in his career. The Leach Cross one pictured above that went 41 rounds.

...and this one against Battling Nelson for the Lightweight Title. Gave a good showing while it lasted, but signing up for a 45 round bout against prime Bat Nelson, was probably not in his best interest at the time.

[G1911]

Thank you for the knowledge share. I'm happy it looks legit, I figured it can't be worth that much as there aren't Dick Hyland fans anymore . If good-not-great T card subjects can be found this cheap though, I will have to pick up some more. I'm getting to the point where it's going to be months between card pickups as my wantlist shrinks, I can stop or add other items of the subjects to go alongside the cards.

I saw Hyland got some attention a couple years ago among the younger crowd for a colorized photo that was going around. It's so different from baseball, this level of talent, a guy who would make a few all-star games but never win an MVP or make the Hall, is completely forgotten in boxing quickly.

[D. Bergin]

Originally Posted by G1911

Thank you for the knowledge share. I'm happy it looks legit, I figured it can't be worth that much as there aren't Dick Hyland fans anymore . If good-not-great T card subjects can be found this cheap though, I will have to pick up some more. I'm getting to the point where it's going to be months between card pickups as my wantlist shrinks, I can stop or add other items of the subjects to go alongside the cards.

I saw Hyland got some attention a couple years ago among the younger crowd for a colorized photo that was going around. It's so different from baseball, this level of talent, a guy who would make a few all-star games but never win an MVP or make the Hall, is completely forgotten in boxing quickly.

Good lord! Looks like Hyland on the right, but I can't quite place the fella on the left.

I don't know how much they embellished the blood in the colorization process, but they certainly had lots of bloodbaths back then, especially among the lighter weight fighters who often wore less padded horsehair gloves then the higher weight guys. They didn't hit as hard, but would corkscrew their punches and cut each other up pretty badly.

Ad Wolgast and Bat Nelson were in several of these types of bouts. Both against each other and others.

[G1911]

Originally Posted by D. Bergin

Good lord! Looks like Hyland on the right, but I can't quite place the fella on the left.

I don't know how much they embellished the blood in the colorization process, but they certainly had lots of bloodbaths back then, especially among the lighter weight fighters who often wore less padded horsehair gloves then the higher weight guys. They didn't hit as hard, but would corkscrew their punches and cut each other up pretty badly.

Ad Wolgast and Bat Nelson were in several of these types of bouts. Both against each other and others.

The other gentleman is Ray Campbell (I don''t know him, because he doesn't have a T card ), in a 1913 bout. This is the original photo in B/W, so it looks like the colorization was fairly honest.

I know today's guys are the in the best shape drugs can create and are quicker etc., but man the old timers took incredible amounts of punishment and fought all the time. These guys had to be tough as nails. Baseball and boxing have the deepest histories, but boxing does not treasure or remember it's past like baseball does. I guess that kind of makes sense, a pastoral game of nostalgia vs. a sport of brutality. I have had a ton of fun looking up newspaper articles and coverage of the forgotten card subjects and learning about all the guys who weren't Jack Johnson, Joe Louis and Muhammad Ali.

[G1911]

30/50 Dixie Queen's crossed off now, this one being the most expensive of the remaining T220/T223 cards I need. 18 commons, Dempsey and Jackson are all I have left. Arrived in an SGC 35 slab I'll crack, feels like a full 1 grade point too high with the heavy staining and the corners so round that the top left is missing. I'd call it Fair if I was trading it.

[G1911]

And 3 more for my Pet run. Extra cool points because each of these men didn't appear on any other T cards.

Kelly was one of several claimants to the Middleweight title in the confusing situation after Ketchel's murder and ensuing boxing chaos.

Fireman Flynn was a heavyweight gatekeeper type who pops up all the time in sports news of the period. He tended to lose to the big names but he fought everyone and fought all the time, even by the standards of that period.

A Frankie Burns was a Bantam champion of the 1910's and great fighter, but this is a different Frankie Burns. Champion Frankie Burns mostly fought in the east and was form Jersey, the back text on this card is all about Oakland. I couldn't really tie him to a listing on Boxrec.

[Exhibitman]

Kelly was involved in some real brawls too.

Something I appreciate about the set is that the outdoor cards are very 'Western' in appearance. For those who haven't spent time on the southwest coast, we have relatively young, sharp mountain ranges due to seismic activity and large semi-arid valleys. The pyramid-like peaks and flats in the cards reflect the topography of the West really well. It is quite the contrast with the lusher, tamer, flatter backgrounds in T220.

[G1911]

A little upgrade for my main set.

[Exhibitman]

1925 Dave Shade photo:

[D. Bergin]

For some reason, I love those era photos that have a nice clear shot of the heavybag in the image.

[Exhibitman]

That was what struck me too and one of the reasons I bought it; the photographer was lucky or good enough to catch the bag at the apex of its swing. Really sharp striking images are works of art.

Here's one of my cousin:



Dempsey, Trinidad y Hnos premium:



My favorite of all is Marciano hitting a heavy bag called "Jersey Joe Walcott"



I don't have a Type 1 photo, but I got the card, which is nice...

[canjond]

It’s definitely rough, but find another! Original cardboard advertisement for Newsboy. It’s massive - almost 40 inches.

[G1911]

Now that is awesome!

[Exhibitman]

I say this with an unsullied record of staunch heterosexuality:

[G1911]

I know I overpaid at $142.88, but it's getting difficult to find the ones I still need. Bert Keyes puts me at 43/50, with only 3 of the standard print cards to go: Driscoll, Ketchell, Stone. I will be happy with 46, I don't think I'm willing to cough up enough for the black SP's to ever finish it.

[G1911]

The 1887 'cursive name series' is one of the easier releases Burdick grouped into N174 but this is a tough card, Mitchell with name in white as "Charley" instead of the black version. The fading problems and age deterioration of this set is quite unfortunate as they would look quite nice in their original, issued black and white clarity.

[G1911]

And a second N174. Tug Wilson/Joseph Collins is one my favored commons.

Richard K. Fox brought him over from England when Fox was unwilling to accept the obvious fact that Sullivan really was just the best heavyweight in the world in the 1880's. Collins was 35, a lot smaller and a little chubby, and pretty much washed up as a real fighter in 1882. Didn't stop Tug from winning though, Sullivan's backers were offering $1,000 for anyone who made it four rounds in the ring with him. Collins was smart enough to know his own severe limitations and to game Sullivan's own setup, and by running, dropping to the mat, clinching, and doing everything possible to waste time and avoid having to engage with Sullivan, Collins won himself $1,000, which he used to own open a shoe shop. Charlie Mitchell easily knocked him out the next year, he fought a lot of exhibitions but not much else in significant fights. Got to give a man credit for looking at the actual rules of a match and finding a clever way to outsmart the game. Doing so got him included in card sets on the strength of only this one bizarre fight for the next 30 years.

This copy has original owners name and an 1887 date written, which is damage I think isn't really damage.