Authenticity On These Psa Cards

[barrysloate]

Guy should get banned for his spelling alone.

[Leon]

So first of all he's been banned but could creep back in. Nothing he has written is that terrible it's really more immature than anything else. And since this idiot that can't spell wants to have a little hunt lets start out with this contact information and see where we can take it. Of course with subpoena'd records we could go to his ISP and find out for sure but unless he does something really bad that won't happen...but he registered on October 19, 2009 with this info:


username vintage classiscs
name Edwin Arroyo
phone number 561 372 2329

edwin20099@yahoo.com




and the initial email upon registration was this information....no different but the more the merrier.....I will be speaking with the FBI today about this too...just to get some thoughts....



There is a new user, vintageclassics at Net54baseball.com Forums
To view their profile, go here:
http://www.net54baseball.com/member.php?u=4885
Email Address : edwin20099@yahoo.com
Birthday : May 31, 1990
Referrer: N/A
IP Address: 189.220.48.177






his IP addresss is 189.220.48.177

[Zach Wheat]

From Google Maps, it looks like address goes to a mobile home park in San Diego.

[Leon]

thanks....I have a feeling this idiot isn't as smart as he thinks he is... This might even help in the other investigation too...

[Zach Wheat]

Leon, we posted at the same time. My comment was relegated to the address for Ray Rodriguez....not the Vintage Classic poster. Ray appears to be in San Diego...the other appears to be in FL by the phone prefix.

[iggyman]

Just a hunch.....maybe this is the same guy....certainly fits his spelling .

[Leon]

I knew I had a conversation with this idiot....here is an email string from he and I from about a month and a half ago....emails aren't really allowed to be posted except in extraordinary cases and cases to expose fraud...


Please overlook my informal writing style, spelling and punctuation..they were emails!! . And it went from the bottom up on these....I didn't answer this last email.....

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From: Edwin Aaroyo [mailto:edwin20099@yahoo.com]

Sent: Monday, October 26, 2009 4:47 PM
To: Leon Luckey
Subject: Re: my info

what if i take a picture with the card with a piece of paper with your name on it and todays date email it to you personaly will that work?

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From: Leon Luckey
To: Edwin Aaroyo
Sent: Mon, October 26, 2009 1:25:04 PM
Subject: RE: my info

scamming might work on Craigs list but not so much advanced chat boards. All of your actions, including your antics on the CU boards, are all red flags....you see, we too have been doing this a long, long time.....What you did is NOT the way real collectors act......We all like to show and tell but what you did was scam.....or at least try to. you should be ashamed of yourself...and if anyone got burned you would be turned over to the police....If you have a nice Ruth card prove it...get todays newspaper....and hold up the card with that paper and date and you in it...then we will know...and the card has to have a close up...as those fake holders just won't cut it...

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From: Edwin Aaroyo [mailto:edwin20099@yahoo.com]

Sent: Monday, October 26, 2009 3:03 PM
To: Leon Luckey
Subject: Re: my info

ok thats fine if you dont belive me but that is what I thought message boards were about to share your experiances with the collecting community. My experiance was real and I have a nice Ruth card i was able to add to my collection

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From: Leon Luckey
To: Edwin Aaroyo
Sent: Mon, October 26, 2009 12:11:16 PM
Subject: RE: my info

because I don't believe you

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From: Edwin Aaroyo [mailto:edwin20099@yahoo.com]

Sent: Monday, October 26, 2009 1:59 PM
To: Leon Luckey
Subject: Re: my info

Leon why have exposed my name and my email on your message board. I have done nothing to warrant this kind of action. I really had a experiance and met with the seller and saw his cards and made a great purchase. I thought net54 was about sharing your experiances in the hobby. That is all i was doing. you tured it into a bash fest of me.

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From: Leon Luckey
To: Edwin Aaroyo
Sent: Mon, October 19, 2009 6:14:49 PM
Subject: RE: my info

ok..you are all set

thanks
leon

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From: Edwin Aaroyo [mailto:edwin20099@yahoo.com]

Sent: Monday, October 19, 2009 6:52 PM
To: leon@net54baseball.com
Subject: my info

username vintage classiscs
name Edwin Arroyo
phone number 561 372 2329

Originally Posted by sbfinley

And I'm pretty sure you hacked up something nasty while laughing hysterically.

Steve you were right. He actually mispelled a laugh. How do you do that? Must have had something in his mouth

"catch me if you can dush bags lololololololololololololololololololololololololh aqhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha"

[barrysloate]

His idiotic posts from last night appear to be revenge because you did not believe he had those Babe Ruth cards.

[chris]

If you search his IP address you find it came from:
IP Information - 189.220.48.177
Country Mexico Mexico
Country Code MX
Region Baja California
City Tijuana
Latitude 32.5333
Longitude -117.0167

Upon further search of the L & L there is an address that came up:
1. Rosario Castellanos 10501, Zona Urbana Río Tijuana, Tijuana, BC, Mexico

I have already forwarded all our correspondence to PSA along with the IP address! Hopefully someone can catch this guy!

[lsutigers1973]

He is back and changed his eBay user ID. Still selling plenty of fakes and apperantly relisting cards with stolen scans as soon as they sell.

Completed Auctions

[alanu]

This guy is now selling on ebay using the id "thevintagecardexpress2009"

I purchased a card using best offer and he claims his paypal and moneybooker accounts can't be used due some improper chargebacks he received. So he want me to mail him a M.O. or cashiers check.

His feedback is 100% with 78 ratings. All of his buying feedback comes from items that cost $1-2 with free shipping. He has a few low dollar sales and one big one. He has a lot of high end cards listed right now and is listing more daily and has sold a few high dollar cards.

He's using the following contact info, including phone #:

raymud rodriguez jr
1674 plam ave #80
San Diego CA 92154

201 598 5601

kalmanweiss1951@yahoo.com

-Alan

[alanu]

Looks like his "thevintagecardexpress2009" account is now getting negative feedback for the stolen scans.

[Leon]

His last 7 transactions were all negative. You would sort of think ebay would take a look at this but who knows. And don't forget to look at the telltale signs he uses in the descriptions. Scammers know how to make all of those fancy little idiotic symbols ie... L@@K ,. WOW, bang, whiz...crap...

BTW, I do know some law enforcement was looking into this. I just (probably) won't know the outcome. Hopefully he gets his dues and I am confidant that one way or the other he will. It's that "what comes around goes around" thing....


http://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAP...ab=AllFeedback

[Fred]

Alan,

I think you mean "1674 PalmAve".

This is technically San Diego but most people around here call it Imperial Beach. The address is located very close to a huge trailer park, or perhaps it is in the trailer park. I go to Imperial Beach quite frequently. Has this dirt bag screwed anybody on this board? If so, let me know.

Oddly enough, the area code for the phone number provided is for New Jersey...

[Zach Wheat]

Google Maps shows this address being in the trailer park.

[HOFAUTOS]

All the negative feedback is gone now.....

[alanu]

Not sure how he got rid of the negative feedback.... I sent a policy violation e-mail to ebay and still haven't heard back.

Fred, I copy and pasted his address, but Palm is probably correct.

-Alan

[alanu]

Received 2 e-mails from ebay:

#1
Our records show that you recently contacted or received messages from thevintagecardexpress2009 through eBay's messaging system. This account was recently found to have been accessed by an unauthorized third party, who may have used the account in an attempt to defraud other members.

We've taken action to restore this account to the original owner, but wanted to let you know to be suspicious of any communication you may have received from them.

#2
We're writing to let you know that the listing for the following item you bid on has been removed:

220531482469 - 1933 GOUDEY BABE RUTH PSA 2 #53 WOW L@@K!!!!!!

We removed the listing and canceled your bid because it appears that the seller's account was used by someone without the seller's permission. The seller's selling privileges might be temporarily suspended while we investigate. Because of privacy concerns, we can't share more details.

We canceled this listing to protect you and the member whose account was used without permission.

[ctownboy]

Great!!! Sounds like eBay just VALIDATED this scam artist.

He lists THE SAME cards over and over again. eBay comes in and NOW takes the Ruth out (which the seller had listed before and said NOTHING about his account being hijacked) and also has his negative Feed back removed.

So NOW the scam artist has 100% Feed Back and can say his listings are legit because eBay fixed the problem with the Ruth he had listed (multiple times).

I would LOVE to have the money to bid on and buy one of the OTHER cards he has listed (but probably doesn't own). Then, when he has problems delivering that card, I could sue him for not delivering on his contract and eBay for validating him as a seller and backing him when he said he has these cards.

[Leon]

Great...so the scammer gets validated by the idiots running ebay. He might fool them but I doubt he will fool law enforcement/FBI folks......who I believe are probably looking into this.

[frosty]

I sent ray rod $$ for a babe ruth card. I wish I had seen this forum before doing that. I have not heard from him and have not received my card and after reading all the threads about him I doubt I ever will. I'm going to file a complaint with E-Bay and file a mail fraud form as well since I sent him the cash in a postal money order. Not sure what recourse I have for recovering my money. Does anyone have any suggestions?

[Fred]

Did you complete the transaction via an ebay sale or did you make a deal "off" of ebay? In either case, it doesn't look good.

[frosty]

It was an E-Bay transaction.

[Jim VB]

If you sent a USPS money order, get with your Postmaster ASAP and see what they can do. (They do like nailing guys involved in mail fraud. It is a Federal offense.)

[Tcards-Please]

And now he is no longer a registered user. Saw that one coming. Wonder if ebay can be liable since they aided the seller in allowing him to have his perfect feedback restored?

[Fred]

Frank,

I bet there's some small print somewhere that exonerates ebay so that they are not, in any way, responsible for this. Two good things going for you: it's an ebay transaction and (I'm not sure this is good, but...) you'll have the USPS on your side. When did you send the M.O.? Did you send the M.O. registered or tracked? If you just mailed recently perhaps it has yet to be delivered and you can contact the Post Master nearest you and see if they can do something to intercept the payment.

Good luck!

[Tcards-Please]

Fred,
You are probably right about the small print. But as a potential buyer, I'm sure someone would have been a little more reluctant to send couple thousand dollars via money order to a seller with an 86% positive feedback rating as opposed to someone that had 100% due to ebay removing the negative entries to increase their percentage. I know I would be livid if I knew that a couple hours earlier someone had that low of a feedback rating and when I looked at their auction they now had 100%.

I just hope the buyer is able to get his funds back. I'm not sure how much help ebay will be since he didn't use paypal to complete the transaction.

[bcornell]

Never send funds to someone you don't know via money order or wire transfer. Western Union and eBay repeatedly post on their sites, yet optimists either don't read or ignore the warning.

Fraud link on the Western Union homepage: http://www.westernunion.com/info/fra...country=global. Quote: "Never send money to a stranger using a money transfer service."

[frosty]

Ray Rod just wrote back saying he is going to make good on the Ruth card.

[ctownboy]

frosty,

Just because he says he is going to make it right doesn't mean he will. Continue to pursue this matter with the police, FBI, eBay and the Postal Inspector.

Often, scam artists "say" they are going to make things right so that they can drag things out. That way, they can try and cover their tracks, a time limit expires or they hope you will give up.

Even if you get a graded Ruth, make sure the case is not frosted, the flip isn't fake, the cert number is right and the card itself is real. Some scam artists try and cover a scam with another scam.

[dennis]

Originally Posted by frosty

Ray Rod just wrote back saying he is going to make good on the Ruth card.

con men always use that line,they string you along.

[frosty]

what do you mean when you say make sure the flip isn't fake? What is the flip?

[Jantz]

"flip" is slang for the label

[ctownboy]

frosty,

Sorry for using slang or jargon. Yes, I meant the label. Since you were spending thousands of dollars on a card, I thought you would know what a "flip" was.

I only have one graded card in my collection so I don't have to worry about "flips" and only learned about them and being aware of fake ones from reading this site.

Anyway, be careful with this scam artist. Some scam artists like to "fix" a mistake by pulling ANOTHER scam. They will send you a slabbed card and the slab has been cracked open and either a lesser grade card or a reprint has been inserted or they will have a slab, insert a reprint card and make their own label.

If I were you, I would ask for ONLY a return of the Postal money order and not the Ruth you were supposed to buy. That way, if he doesn't return your money you can STILL keep the Feds involved and he could face some jail time for fraud if he doesn't come through.

David

[frosty]

Thanks for explaining David. I have not heard the label refered to as a flip. You learn something new every day. Thanks also for the advise on the ruth card as well.

[teetwoohsix]

I'm sorry,but IMO -if you read this thread from start to finish,you would be able to figure out what a "flip" was-I find this strange.................
frosty-how did you find Net54,if you don't mind me asking?

[frosty]

I googled PSA authenticity.

[FLATMAN]

HI.

[FLATMAN]

Hi. Im new to this board and found it when I almost was scammed by Raymud and his crew. I see you know about Raymud and Edwin Arroyo. One more name you can add is Brian Hogan. He is out of Ladson S.Carolina. If you go to his Ebay name " Lowcountrybaseballvintage" and click his feedback you will see what I mean. I am still trying to finish my story so I can post it here. It is a long one but I hope it can help someone. Id like to thank Leon and all the people on this board. You guys opened my eyes just in time.

[worstnightmare]

1909 T206 TY COBB ROOKIE (RED) BACK GROUND IT'S REAL! - EBay ad

Looks like there is another part of the team. Ebay user ck77chris is out of Vista which is near San Diego. He's been a user on ebay since Dec. 09. Another name to watch.

I have a question are you thinking the cards are fraud or the holders are fraud or both are fraud ? I entered the PSA#'s into cert verification on PSA's site and they both match ? I am just trying to learn what you my have spotted to help me improve my collecting skills. Thanks

[Leon]

Welcome aboard, Sammy. Since this is your first post why don't you introduce yourself a little and tell us what you collect? That way we can help you more....best regards

After a little checking I am comfortable with not necessarily calling Sammy...once again, happy collecting....that's all I wish for.