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Autograph sub-forum?
It has been brought to my attention that many of our memorabilia folks are not wanting to post, or have quit posting, due to the autograph folks posting and bickering, fighting, arguing etc. I feel the goal for me is to make this place as amenable for all members as possible, while keeping the forum(s) focus's in mind. To that end I want to discuss the good and bad of having a separate sub forum for autographs. What I wouldn't want to do is create one and then have fewer threads and posts in both the memorabilia and autograph forums. In general I don''t like splitting the forums up but it just might make sense for autographs. Another moderator brought this up to me and I don't want to take credit for the discussion or possible change. I just want as friendly a place as possible (understanding the nature of collecting and the impossibility of pure happiness on a chat board ) Thoughts?
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for the most part I could care less about the autographs. I come here to see the good stuff
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I really enjoyed the "Good news" autograph thread as I felt it progressed our hobby and allowed us to see some great items. Perhaps a test compromise is that if people want to post a "Is this auto good" thread, they have a separate forum for those. Those post seem to create the most drama.
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Great idea, and I'm all for splitting them into two groups. The autograph people have taken over the memorabilia side, and the same posters have the same fights almost every day. I know I don't have to read these threads but I still like the idea.
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To be honest, I only collect autographs and I've stopped posting as much because of the things you said Leon.
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Agreed.
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Perfectly said.
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I'm all for splitting. I really enjoy some of the memorabilia that happen to be autographed, i.e. the 1931 baseball lighter I found a few months ago, but tire of the constant "Is this good" threads. I've often thought some of the very knowledgeable auto experts should be charging for their opinions, set them up a paypal account and charge for a quick opinion.
Just my uneducated opinion. Rawn
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btw, I am definitely leaning towards giving a separate forum a try...we have been over this before but have never tried one. We could revert back to what we have now, if it didn't work out. This thread is just to make as sure as possible there isn't some unforeseen issue (I can't think of)..
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Of the first twelve threads on the memorabilia board right now, nine of them are about autographs.
I would agree that memorabilia is being pushed aside and that many memorabilia collectors have given up both posting and trying to sort through all the at times inane autograph threads. I'm all for a separate sub-forum -- I think you would then see a resurgence of memorabilia threads. Greg |
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I agree with the idea of splitting, FWIW.
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If I recall we once discussed memorabilia and cards in the same forum, and when we split them up it worked perfectly. I can't imagine having a separate autograph section wouldn't work.
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Arnt autographs considered memorabilia?
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I agree with what Barry said in both his posts. My vote is to split them up.
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Couldn't cards be considered memorabilia? There's nothing wrong with separate forums for different categories.
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Autographs are much more contentious and prone to arguments because a lot of the time, (a majority of the time) the focus is on authenticity, which leads to arguments, which happens with memorabilia and cards a lot less. I think if you split them or not, either way would work, it just means one more click, i don;t think people are having a hard time now figuring out if a thread is about an autograph or not, they can just skip it like i skip a t205 or hassan triple threads if i am a t206 collector exclusively. i can't figure out how people know there are autograph arguments on these threads if they didnt read them? But either way if it is split or not I don't think it's a huge deal. If most people want it split, you should try it. |
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Add my vote to those wanting to split off autographs into something separate.
If keeping up the number of posts is a concern, just make it clear that all sports autos are fair game, or even open it up further to historical and entertainment autographs. I think once the dust has settled, the number of posts in the Memorabilia forum will come back up naturally. Leon, why not run a poll for a week or so, and see if the results are as overwhelmingly one-sided as they appear to be from these posts? |
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I'm for two new forums. One centered around "Is this good?" and another for autograph discussion/show-off.
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I appreciate your, and everyone else's, thoughts so far. No need to do a formal poll, imo, this thread is doing fine. It is in fact overwhelming so far...which, as most know, is one of my criteria for change. I really do appreciate all of the feedback. I just hope that if a sub forum is made, the other memorabilia guys/girls will start some new and informative threads. I have also received one private email in support of the new sub forum, among other suggestions .
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I can't imagine making 2 more forums immediately.....maybe we try one first and see how that goes...and if it is still overwhelming, we discuss at that time. Baby steps forward.......
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I don't read a lot of the memorabilia side of the board because of all of the autograph squabbles, but even if they were split I more than likely wouldn't post as I don't have a lot to add, just a lot to learn.
...but while we are at it can we also separate t206 collectors from the rest of the card collectors? |
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Cash for quickies
I've been guilty of being a "Is it good" thread starter. TPA for stuff I will not sell anyway doesn't make sense for me. I would also have no problem with paying for an internet quickie opinion (Good idea). How many people should be giving those opinions is another question I cannot answer? This activity should be split into a new thread.
Memorabilia that has general interest and happens to be autographed as well is another issue and something we would all like to see. i would let this type of item stay in the Memorabilia section. I suppose a "Rant and Bickering Forum" could be started for any thread anywhere that devolves into this activity. The Moderators could act like the panel on "The Gong Show" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xERBJPiYjjA), and bump these threads to a location where they can continue unabated.
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If I had a vote, I'd vote to split them.
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great idea
I am all for this Leon. I started collecting autographs in 2000 when coa's were given to any item. I value the opinions of others on whether items I bought in the past were real or fake as well as feelings on items I may currently want to buy.
thanks for all your hard work. Shale |
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I collect baseball memorabilia for the fun, if not joy, it brings me. There appears to be no fun, and certainly no joy at all, with the autograph hobbyists. I am of the opinion they have been exploited by fraudulent items in the past, and now they are "on a mission" to call everyone's attention to the perils of autographs in the market. They have gone from sincere hobbyists to zealous vigilantes, with the subplot of who deserves to be their leader. I have been burned in the past with some purchases I elected to make, as I believe we all have, but those episodes have not bitterly corroded my outlook toward the hobby. If these folks need a carthartic release, let them have their own forum. It can also serve as their support group. Other areas of collecting don't seem to need one.
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I've always been of the persuasion of just keep them (memorabilia and autographs) all in one forum, as to me, they are one and the same.
HOWEVER, if it makes the viewing and enjoyment experience better for a few people, then it won't take away from my enjoyment of the board by having two forums. As a matter of fact, it will probably add to my enjoyment of the forums, because I won't be compelled by human curiosity to read anymore of the "we need another forum for autographs" or "I can't simply skip over those threads to find ones I like", or variations thereof that crop up from time to time. So please add me to the ledger as a plus vote for having two forums. One for autographs, and one for memorabilia sans autographs. Mike |
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2 forums...one memorabilia, and the other psa/jsa/fde bashings.
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I collect general memorabilia as well as autographed pieces... and I agree the proposed split has now become a necessity. I would like to see the Memorabilia Forum return to the healty/positive place that it was as recently as a year or two ago.
Thanks Leon, for soliciting our input |
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I have nothing against a split.
However, in defense of the autograph posters, I don't know that it's so much that there are so many autograph threads as there are so few memorabilia threads. The lopsidedness is as much due to the latter as the former. But, as autographs seems to be such a popular topic, they may deserve their own category anyway. I also add that I find many of the autograph threads to be interesting. I read them. I'm not bashing the autograph folks. The autographs threads have added a new and interesting dimension to Net54. Leon might wish to ask someone like Richard Simon to be the Net54 advisor on autograph/autograph forum topics, so Leon can have someone to go to when autograph/forum issues and questions arise. Richard's a professional, he might like to be able to put on his resume that he's an advisor to Net54 which is a well known site. P.s. Leon, the cord to my digital camera a few days ago, but I'll get the pic to you today. Last edited by drc; 04-16-2012 at 12:01 PM. |
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I, too, would like to see a split. That way, we autograph collectors will no longer have to see our hobby demeaned with comments such as "That's why I would never collect autographs." (i.e., "I'm way too smart for that.")
There are some among us who, perhaps, feel a bit closer to the game when actually holding a baseball that Babe Ruth, or Ty Cobb, or... actually held. For us, collecting tchotchkes that have never been closer to a ballplayer or stadium than, say, my toaster, doesn't quite cut it. |
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For the record, I'm not close to an expert but I've collected autographs since I was a kid (TTM). I like autographs and think it's a interesting area.
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Kind of a conflict of interest (since Richard is involved in many an argument here himself), wouldn't you say?
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Dan Bre.tta is the moderator for most of the memorabilia stuff. Unless he doesn't want to oversee it then he will also check out the Autograph stuff. Then if there is a judgment call I will be happy to help. That being said, he and I are also collectors first and foremost so we can get into little tiffs ourselves . Such is the life of the board and being avid collectors. Thanks for all the feedback. As soon as I figure out how to make a sub forum in the memorabilia section, it will be done. I am sure it will be today at some point.
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As I try making this you guys will see some weird structure. Just hang in there a few minutes and we should be all set with the new sub forum. I want to have the autographs section directly under the main memorabilia one....just trying to figure it out.
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hmmm
Well, it looks as though it is going to take some time to figure out how to get an autograph forum BELOW the memorabilia one. Is it an issue if we/I make the autograph one ABOVE the memorabilia one until that gets figured out (assuming it will be able to be done, but not positive)?
I will open that forum as soon as I get a few peoples responses....
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It seems just fine, Leon.
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Thanks David. I feel the need for the forum outweighs the need for it to be below the regular one so went a head and opened it. Any new autograph threads should generally be in that forum. Hopefully I/we can get the display order figured out but we never did over on the post war side vis a vis the Watercooler and sports talk sections...and they are all doing fine.
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Count me in . . .
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. . . as a supporter for the split. Currently, I am primarily an autograph collector, but I have a handful of vintage memorabilia items, use to actively collect old cardboard, and love most things related to vintage baseball. So, for me, the split is just another stop on getting my daily fix. Vintage baseball cards, memorabilia, or autographs; I love them all. |
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As an autograph collector I also enjoy browsing and learning from threads pertaining to non-autographed memorabilia. With two forums I'll be less likely to casually peruse the other stuff. But if that's what people want...
The occasional snide and condescending remarks about those [fill in the blank] autograph collectors do not go unnoticed. However, I've been on the Interweb long enough to know to not let people I don't know and who don't know me bother me.
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Myself personally, im never in favor of splitting up the community into different sub-forums. Whenever possible, i like it best to keep things together. What happens is everyone has their "main" board on this forum that they go to the most and basically i think sub-forums just split the community and then what happens is each board will get less traffic and less new threads.
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What could be done, if it is possible, have a special icon like a "Pen" that the thread starter could post so you can see this thread is about autographs. So then if someone doesn't like autographs they will see the pen icon and then they don't have to read that particular thread. Can even Put say *AUTO* at the start of thread titles if the icon can not happen.
just an idea... |
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If the autograph sub-forum is gonna happen i like this idea. Maybe we can start talking about autographs from entertainment, politics, historical figures as well? Might get a bunch of new members too. Edited to add- I see you guys talking about other Moderators. I was curious, other than Leon, who is the other Moderators at Site 54?? Last edited by Bilko G; 04-16-2012 at 03:48 PM. Reason: added a question |
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