Do you think the National should be expanded to twice a year ?

[Doug]

If they had an eastern national and a western national it might give more people a chance to go that otherwise don't want to travel cross country.

[4815162342]

Q: Why is there only one National a year?

A: Wives.

[RiverOnFire]

The National doesn't need to expand into two shows. One show once a year is fine.

What needs to be done is add more flair to the show. I'm 23 years old and collect various stuff both vintage and modern. Cards, pennants, odd ball items, I love it all. But even I get bored eventually with the show. The autograph area is rubbish. It needs to be done up and add more dynamic.

Why can't all the Sports Hall of Fames have small traveling exhibits on display? How could would it be to go and learn about any of the sports long fabled histories and then be able to buy relics of that time all in the same building?

Personally, I (and I'm sure most of you) like the hunt and thrill of trying to find that certain *something*. The IX Center (Cle) and the Chicago location both have vast parking lots for use. Maybe allow for a "flea market" outside that flows into the building.

What would be real cool but I think logistics would kill the idea, but have the National at one location in a city, and then smaller shows around the city throughout that week to drum up interest for the National itself. It'd be similar to how cities have concerts at different venues during a weekend but the shows are all intertwined into one main event.

We need one in KC Our city and convention center is plenty large and centrally located in the US. Cheap to fly into and out of also. Why the Hype about Chy town?????????????

[calvindog]

I voted no as well. I fear that if there were two Nationals they'd just be diluted with dealers figuring they didn't need to go to both. And I just don't know if the demand is there. Look at the White Plains show: little to no prewar stuff. With all the dealers on the East Coast you'd think the shows would be better attended. Once a year is plenty though I wish there was the demand for two.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by RiverOnFire

The National doesn't need to expand into two shows. One show once a year is fine.

What needs to be done is add more flair to the show. I'm 23 years old and collect various stuff both vintage and modern. Cards, pennants, odd ball items, I love it all. But even I get bored eventually with the show. The autograph area is rubbish. It needs to be done up and add more dynamic.

Why can't all the Sports Hall of Fames have small traveling exhibits on display? How could would it be to go and learn about any of the sports long fabled histories and then be able to buy relics of that time all in the same building?

Personally, I (and I'm sure most of you) like the hunt and thrill of trying to find that certain *something*. The IX Center (Cle) and the Chicago location both have vast parking lots for use. Maybe allow for a "flea market" outside that flows into the building.

What would be real cool but I think logistics would kill the idea, but have the National at one location in a city, and then smaller shows around the city throughout that week to drum up interest for the National itself. It'd be similar to how cities have concerts at different venues during a weekend but the shows are all intertwined into one main event.

Actually some of this stuff sounds interesting. Nice to think outside of the old box sometimes....good post.

[Rickyy]

Personally would love to see it back on the West Coast again, but hell would freeze over before it will ever happen again....

[makersmarkambassador]

This was a while back and I can't remember where the National was held, but in '93 or '94 they had a Tri-Star show in St.Louis that was pretty nice. Not as big as a National show but close enough. If they had a smaller show in the midwest, I think that would be nice.

[tolstoi]

I really would push for a west coast one as well the east coast one.

[Bilko G]

While i think one big National convention a year is good. I think there is demand and a need for another big show a year on the West coast as well. It doesn't have to be the National, but it has to be a "National like" show as far as size and dealers (obviously it won't be as big, but you you get my point). Have the west coast show rotate between cities like Anaheim, San Diego, Seattle and even Vancouver.

[Jewish-collector]

What they could do is have an east coast city National in the spring and a west coast city National in the fall (or vice versa). And, then have a midwest coast city (probably Chicago and/or Cleveland) replace one of the coast Nationals the following year like so...

Spring 2011 East coast city National
Fall 2011 West coast city National

Spring 2012 Midwest coast city National (to replace the East)
Fall 2012 West coast city National

Spring 2013 East coast city National
Fall 2013 Midwest coast city National (to replace the West)

and so on.....

[David W]

I live in Indiana, but an East/West thing might work.

I wouldn't go to the West coast, but go to the Chicago and Cleveland Nationals.

I'm sure there are a lot of West Coasters who don't go if it is out East.

[bijoem]

I voted no.

While I would personally love to go to a 'National' every month (if I was able to) - I think if The National took place more than once per year, many or most collectors and dealers would pick which 'National' they could go to each year.

The result would be two watered down shows in the year as opposed to one as-good-as-it-gets event per year.

[Matthew H]

I wish that the small hotel shows would come back. I really enjoyed going to those with my Dad in the late 80's early 90's. I was just a kid but I really liked looking at all the old cards.

[HRBAKER]

There is nothing wrong with it, don't try to "fix" it. I don't see attrition so much as redeployment and development of buying opportunities. Ebay and the hyper-growth of good quality auctions has supplanted much of the need for these former regional "glory" shows IMO. Nothing stays the same forever.
Let's not monkey with the one good show we still have.

[kcohen]

If Net54 doesn't host a dinner, who cares?

[Jewish-collector]

Originally Posted by kcohen

If Net54 doesn't host a dinner, who cares?

The Net54 dinner was actually the best part of the National.

[perezfan]

Originally Posted by Doug

If they had an eastern national and a western national it might give more people a chance to go that otherwise don't want to travel cross country.

This is a key point. I would attend twice as many Nationals if it ever came back to California, Las Vegas, Seattle, Portland, Phoenix or even Denver. I am sure that many other potential attendees (West of the Mississippi) who currently skip it would attend more as well.

So you might lose a few East Coast/Midwest people, but you would gain many others. That's my admittedly biased left coast viewpoint.

[danc]

No.

I'm on team Rob.

Baltimore was nice, mostly because it wasn't Cleveland. What made the National great back then were the many collectible avenues and the unpredictable nature of the show that surrounded the current card craze (at the time) which ceases to exist. And eBay and auction houses with their thick catalogs. IMO, there is a reason why there are so few card shows today.

I have been going to Willow Grove (now the Hunt debacle) since 1988 and the last show was a disgrace of sorts, and it doesn't appear that it will ever be what that great show once was. If there were no autograph guests, would anyone come? After you pay $80 for Schilling, will you have any money left over to buy and if you are paying that for him, do you care about vintage cards and memorabilia anyways?

I think I will stick to the one National per year.

DanC

[Rich Klein]

Circa 1994; just as the Hobby was about to go on a downward slope (circumstances including baseball strike, internet, etc) many of the major dealers were trying to create a group of mini-Nationals each year.

The Late Wanda Marcus was hosting the "Southwest" National and there was one in 1994, Gloria Rothstein already had the "East Coast National" and I believe Jack Petruzelli was going to do the "West Coast National". I can't for my memory remember who was going to host the "Mid-West National".

The concept was, as we were discussing in this thread, the National being too big and too hard to get to each year for everyone, so the National would be brought to them.

Alas, with the confluence of events beginning in August 1994, this set up never occured.

If this did not happen when we were still close to our hobby peak, how we going to pull this off today

One National a year is plenty, but perhaps some local promoters can step up their game to help bring shows back

Regards
Rich Klein

[HexsHeroes]

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. . . and when/where are they generally held each year ?


Could any of them be considered scaled-down versions of a National show ? I realize that use of the term "scaled-down" is quite vague, so I'll leave it up to you to decide what's acceptable and what's not.

[sox1903wschamp]

Originally Posted by Rich Klein

One National a year is plenty, but perhaps some local promoters can step up their game to help bring shows back

Regards
Rich Klein

I agree with this. One is enough but it sure would be nice to see promoters step up and bring back shows but we have to do our part and support them.

[RiverOnFire]

Originally Posted by sox1903wschamp

I agree with this. One is enough but it sure would be nice to see promoters step up and bring back shows but we have to do our part and support them.

How would you (and everyone else on the board) go about organizing a show, if given the chance?

And for those of you whom have done shows in the past, what do you usually look for in deciding to book a table. I'm thinking cost of the table, location of event, and type of show?

[Jewish-collector]

Maybe there could be a "Net54 show". Just vintage - cards, memorabilia, autographs, etc,... but only vintage material.

I believe Ed Keetz in Syracuse (?) had done this in the past & I was told it was very successful.