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1947 BOND BREAD and its "imposters"....show us your cards ?
Posted By: Ted Zanidakis
It was the Summer of '47....my sister and I carefully opened up Homogenized Bond Bread packages, for a Joe DiMaggio, a Ted Williams, |
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1947 BOND BREAD and its "imposters"....show us your cards ?
Posted By: Jim Thierfelder
Great post Ted, very informative. |
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1947 BOND BREAD and its "imposters"....show us your cards ?
Posted By: Mark Tylicki
Great stuff Ted |
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1947 BOND BREAD and its "imposters"....show us your cards ?
Posted By: Ted Zanidakis
Here is the Walker Cooper card that I noted in the initial post here. It was never included |
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1947 BOND BREAD and its "imposters"....show us your cards ?
Posted By: Dan Paradis
Excellent post Ted. Here's the few Bond Bread cards I have: |
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1947 BOND BREAD and its "imposters"....show us your cards ?
Posted By: Sean C
I've always wanted to know more about these cards, and specifically about the Robinson cards. I remember back in the late 80's, early 90's there was a reported big find of the square corner cards that were being sold through SCD and other hobby magazines. You can still usually find them for less than $100 or so. Were they legit, or just reprints? |
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1947 BOND BREAD and its "imposters"....show us your cards ?
Posted By: Ted Zanidakis
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1947 BOND BREAD and its "imposters"....show us your cards ?
Posted By: Ted Zanidakis
There is a significant difference in the cardboard stock used in the original 1947 Bond Bread cards |
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1947 BOND BREAD and its "imposters"....show us your cards ?
Posted By: boxingcardman
Although Primo Carnera was the world heavyweight champ in the 1930s, technically, the card in this set is a wrestling card since he is shown in his wrestling garb. Doesn't make a difference on pricing; he is still collected as a boxer. |
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1947 BOND BREAD and its "imposters"....show us your cards ?
Posted By: Ted Zanidakis
Thanks MARK....DAN....SEAN....for the great scans of your cards. |
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1947 BOND BREAD and its "imposters"....show us your cards ?
Posted By: Ted Zanidakis
You have made my day with this statement of yours...... |
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1947 BOND BREAD and its "imposters"....show us your cards ?
Posted By: Steve F
TZ, This, being square-cornered, is a '49 then? |
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1947 BOND BREAD and its "imposters"....show us your cards ?
Posted By: Steve Murray
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1947 BOND BREAD and its "imposters"....show us your cards ?
Posted By: boxingcardman
Does anyone know whether the same actors appear with the same athletes, or are different combos possible? |
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1947 BOND BREAD and its "imposters"....show us your cards ?
Posted By: Ted Zanidakis
Can you please post F & B scans of the the George Raft card ? |
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1947 BOND BREAD and its "imposters"....show us your cards ?
Posted By: Sean C
I don't own that perforated card Ted, it's one of Shoeless Joe's cards. I was just posting the image from his listing of it on eBay, as I had never seen one like it before. |
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1947 BOND BREAD and its "imposters"....show us your cards ?
Posted By: JDRUM
Ted, |
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1947 BOND BREAD and its "imposters"....show us your cards ?
Posted By: Paul
Now I'm really confused. I assumed that the square corner cards and the perforated cards were two entirely separate sets. But Ted seems to be lumping them together in his posts. Is there any reason to believe these are both actually from the same set? |
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1947 BOND BREAD and its "imposters"....show us your cards ?
Posted By: boxingcardman
Now I have to dig it out of the cupboard. |
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1947 BOND BREAD and its "imposters"....show us your cards ?
Posted By: dstudeba
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1947 BOND BREAD and its "imposters"....show us your cards ?
Posted By: Ted Zanidakis
You are assuming something from my above scan of the 4 cards. I did not say that the BB/Movie Star |
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1947 BOND BREAD and its "imposters"....show us your cards ?
Posted By: Steve
As always great info. Thanks Ted. |
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1947 BOND BREAD and its "imposters"....show us your cards ?
Posted By: Ted Zanidakis
JEFF....two good "Q's"...... |
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1947 BOND BREAD and its "imposters"....show us your cards ?
Posted By: Ted Zanidakis
I haven't forgotten you, guy. The 1947 BOND BREAD Jackie Robinson set of 13 cards was indeed issued in 1947. |
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1947 BOND BREAD and its "imposters"....show us your cards ?
Posted By: Ted Zanidakis
It's amazing what shows up on this forum. Your George Raft card is very cool. Raft was a "cool" villain |
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1947 BOND BREAD and its "imposters"....show us your cards ?
Posted By: Ted Zanidakis
Very neat, thanks for sharing it with us. The original 1947 Bond Bread cards were available in the bread loaves in the Sring of '47 |
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1947 BOND BREAD and its "imposters"....show us your cards ?
Posted By: boxingcardman
I rescued George from a junk box on a dealer's table because of his association with the Jewish mob. Raft ran with a tough crowd as a kid but happened to be talented enough to have a different route out of poverty. He was a friend of several major crime figures, including Bugsy Siegel and Meyer Lansky. |
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1947 BOND BREAD and its "imposters"....show us your cards ?
Posted By: David M
Ted, I was one of those that bought a "set" from David Festberg back in the 1980's. I believe it is unlikely that anyone reprinted these cards and then stuck them in a warehouse. It seems more likely that they were leftovers from the "Sports Star Subjects" issue that Mr. Festberg then found stored. You said the cards David sold were inferior to the originals in print quality and contrast but how do they compare to the "Sports Star Subjects" cards. Are they the same? I guess that leaves us with the other question. Where do we think the combo cards came from? |
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1947 BOND BREAD and its "imposters"....show us your cards ?
Posted By: Bob C
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1947 BOND BREAD and its "imposters"....show us your cards ?
Posted By: boxingcardman
In 1946, a few years after he finally retired as a fighter, Primo Carnera became a wrestler and wrestled until retiring in 1961. So did Joe Louis for a time when he needed the money. If you see the movie "Requiem For A Heavyweight" where Anthony Quinn's broken-down fighter ends up being a pro wrestler afterwards, that's based on Carnera. |
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1947 BOND BREAD and its "imposters"....show us your cards ?
Posted By: Ted Zanidakis
Hey big guy.....in 1956, Playhouse 90 (on TV) also did "Requiem for a Heavyweight" with Jack Palance in the lead role. |
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1947 BOND BREAD and its "imposters"....show us your cards ?
Posted By: Ted Zanidakis
It's my understanding that only 24 cards (22 BB and Joe Louis & Primo Carnera) were in the sets that Dave Festberg sold. |
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1947 BOND BREAD and its "imposters"....show us your cards ?
Posted By: David M
Ted, thanks for responding. I'll have to check what cards I have when I get home and I'll post an answer. |
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1947 BOND BREAD and its "imposters"....show us your cards ?
Posted By: David M
Ted, I do indeed have 24 cards in my "set". However, none are discolored on the back as you show. They are a creamy white. The 24 include Stan Musial, Jackie Robinson, Ted Williams, Ralph Kiner, Phil Rizzuto, Enos Slaughter, Bob Feller, Johnny Mize, Lou Boudreau, Bobbie Doerr, John Sain, Vern Stephens, Ken Keltner, Bob Elliott, Johnny Pesky, Ewell Blackwell, Del Ennis, Andy Pafko, Harry Brechen, Joe Gordon, Aaron Robinson, Tommy Holmes, and Joe Louis, and Primo Carnera. They are of course, square cornered and thinner than a regular card. But I can't explain why the backs appear different than what you are reporting. |
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1947 BOND BREAD and its "imposters"....show us your cards ?
Posted By: Ted Zanidakis
Thanks for posting your cards.....and, judging from the backs, your cards appear to be uncirculated ones from the Sports |
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1947 BOND BREAD and its "imposters"....show us your cards ?
Posted By: David M
Ted, that theory makes sense. So when do we think the 24 cards I have were made (1949)? It's a shame all of the square cornered cards have been lumped together by the grading companies. I think it was mentioned before that the major grading companies won't grade these, is that correct? Maybe this thread will make them rethink their position on these cards. |
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1947 BOND BREAD and its "imposters"....show us your cards ?
Posted By: boxingcardman
1. Where do we fit in the PC sized cards? |
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1947 BOND BREAD and its "imposters"....show us your cards ?
Posted By: David M
Adam, I have some other questions regarding the cards you mentioned, the "Sports Star Subjects". You said they were issued in 4 boxes of 12 each. So I assume that means there are 48 different cards in that issue which would match the original 1947 Bond Bread cards. You mentioned these cards and how they were sold. Did you see them for sell in the store, if so what year? Or did you see the boxes for sell in some auction? It would be great if we were able to figure out the date of issue. |
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1947 BOND BREAD and its "imposters"....show us your cards ?
Posted By: Ted Zanidakis
The Movie Stars' cards had their names printed.....note my Jimmy Stewart card. |
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1947 BOND BREAD and its "imposters"....show us your cards ?
Posted By: Dave Hornish
I have been reading this thread with interest and have now scanned a 1/22/93 SCD article concerning the 24 card "subset". Whether or not the author's comments are all true I cannot say but is does shed some light no matter: |
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1947 BOND BREAD and its "imposters"....show us your cards ?
Posted By: Ted Zanidakis
Thanks for digging up this article. It essentially covers about everything we have mulled over in |
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1947 BOND BREAD and its "imposters"....show us your cards ?
Posted By: boxingcardman
I currently own a round cornered Joe Louis (illustrated above). I've also had the square cornered ones in the past. The round Louis I own is the only one I've ever found up for sale. The square cards are available all the time. I think we may actually have a situation where the round cards went into bread, the square cards went into boxes, and the find added 3000 cards each to the pop of 24 of the square cards. |
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1947 BOND BREAD and its "imposters"....show us your cards ?
Posted By: David M
Ok, so based on the cards showing through the front of these boxes, the Festberg "find" was of series 3 and series 4 cards. That means the more difficult to find cards are all from series 1 and 2. Thanks for posting the picture of the boxes. |
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1947 BOND BREAD and its "imposters"....show us your cards ?
Posted By: Paul
But why is there a difference in back color between the Festberg find and the ones that were sold in boxes? |
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1947 BOND BREAD and its "imposters"....show us your cards ?
Posted By: Ted Zanidakis
The set of 48 (SQUARE) cards in the Sports Star Subjects issue are most likely "excess press runs" |
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1947 BOND BREAD and its "imposters"....show us your cards ?
Posted By: Ted Zanidakis
The pictures for many of the 1947 Bond Bread cards were derived from the Team Photo Packs sold at the souvenir stands at the Stadiums. |
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1947 BOND BREAD and its "imposters"....show us your cards ?
Posted By: Ted Zanidakis
JDRUM asked an excellent question earlier in this thread...... |
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Some more bread, or "shoe" cards
See attached for some movie stars. I thought the back was interesting as I hadn't seen the 46 cards mentioned before like this. The Hess reference looks to be a stamp added after printing.
Last edited by wastewater; 06-08-2009 at 06:23 PM. |
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Before I begin, let me state that this is an old thread (from early 2009........I can still remember that year as though it was yesterday....).
This is for prosperity and for Ted Z.... The following eBay item just ended: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...m=230415942970 It was for the complete 24 card '47 Bond Bread imposter cards/set (22 baseball + Joe Louis & Primo Carnera) which were unearthed by Dave Festberg. The seller stated he purchased the set in 1990 from B&J as noted in the SCD article. The card backs were the beige variety not the white version. I passed on bidding on this item but was surprised to see it only sold for $102 (Nr/Mt set). I have always greatly appreciated everything I have learned (and continue learning) about this set from Ted Z., but at the end of his dissertations it always makes my head hurt. Plus, there is always the possibility that it is in fact a reprinted set. Guess, others feel the same way. Lovely Day... |
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