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Live Auction: Standard Biscuit Cobb - Shill Bidding?
Posted By: Jeff Lichtman
Joann, I have it on good information that i***l knew about this auction before Matt's posting. |
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Live Auction: Standard Biscuit Cobb - Shill Bidding?
Posted By: Joann
OK. That's good enough for me. |
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Live Auction: Standard Biscuit Cobb - Shill Bidding?
Posted By: Jim VB
Matt, |
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Live Auction: Standard Biscuit Cobb - Shill Bidding?
Posted By: Matt
Jim - apparently not. |
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Live Auction: Standard Biscuit Cobb - Shill Bidding?
Posted By: Jim VB
<<apparently not.>> |
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Live Auction: Standard Biscuit Cobb - Shill Bidding?
Posted By: barrysloate
Sgt Hoss was willing to pay at least $1691, he got his card, and I bet he is happy to have won it. |
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Live Auction: Standard Biscuit Cobb - Shill Bidding?
Posted By: Wesley
Sgt. Hoss is a forum member that occassionally posts on the Net 54. I think this thread costed him some money. |
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Live Auction: Standard Biscuit Cobb - Shill Bidding?
Posted By: Matt
Wesley, if you read even a few posts up, it has been shown that it did not. |
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Live Auction: Standard Biscuit Cobb - Shill Bidding?
Posted By: Wesley
Matt, I didn't read that. What did you post? |
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Live Auction: Standard Biscuit Cobb - Shill Bidding?
Posted By: quan
it's nice to see that "i****l" is human and loses a card (or case) once in a while |
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Live Auction: Standard Biscuit Cobb - Shill Bidding?
Posted By: Rhett Yeakley
After the auction was posted, I thought the bidding may have gone higher. I was going to put in a bid around the $1500-1600 area, but thought I would get blown out of the water so I just went back to work instead. So, even if someone else hadn't bid I would have bid around the same amount. In this instance it doesn't appear that it cost Scot much more than if it hadn't been posted. |
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Live Auction: Standard Biscuit Cobb - Shill Bidding?
Posted By: Matt
Rhett - you're correct; I and others will be more reluctant in the future, the question that we're discussing in the poll thread, is that a good thing? |
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Live Auction: Standard Biscuit Cobb - Shill Bidding?
Posted By: JK
I personally think that the fears of outing an auction are overstated except for cards that are listed in the wrong category or misspelled, etc. People here just dont miss much if the card is in the correct category. |
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Live Auction: Standard Biscuit Cobb - Shill Bidding?
Posted By: barrysloate
I'm in total agreement with Josh on that one. |
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Live Auction: Standard Biscuit Cobb - Shill Bidding?
Posted By: Dan Bretta
Damn you Matt....if you hadn't started this thread NOBODY would have noticed that TY COBB card on EBAY!!! |
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Live Auction: Standard Biscuit Cobb - Shill Bidding?
Posted By: Jeff Lichtman
Quan, you're jinxing "l***i"! |
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Live Auction: Standard Biscuit Cobb - Shill Bidding?
Posted By: Al Simeone
Remember Jeff Quan said it first I didnt!!! I emailed!!! |
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Live Auction: Standard Biscuit Cobb - Shill Bidding?
Posted By: Matt
Thanks for the smiley Dan - I don't think I've ever upset so many people I've never met before by trying to be helpful. You should see the nasty emails. |
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Live Auction: Standard Biscuit Cobb - Shill Bidding?
Posted By: Steve Murray
NASTY EMAILS ARE TOTALLY INAPPROPRIATE!!! |
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Live Auction: Standard Biscuit Cobb - Shill Bidding?
Posted By: barrysloate
Matt- if you want to do some outing, out the names of the people who sent those emails. They are unacceptable! |
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Live Auction: Standard Biscuit Cobb - Shill Bidding?
Posted By: Dan Bretta
I've said it here numerous times, but I'll say it again anyway....It is impossible to out an ebay auction that is listed in the correct category. Is there anyone here who somehow missed this auction while perusing the pre-1930 category? or while doing regular searches for "Ty Cobb"? |
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Live Auction: Standard Biscuit Cobb - Shill Bidding?
Posted By: quan
matt i hope you're joking as what sick people would berate you for outing an auction--in the correct category, with the proper classification, with the correct name of arguably the most famous athlete in his sport? from the bidder history most aren't even in the same country as jeff's and the winning bid. |
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Live Auction: Standard Biscuit Cobb - Shill Bidding?
Posted By: Matt
While I also found at least 1 of the emails totally unacceptable, I'm not going to pass along names; the people obviously felt strongly about what I did and expressed that to me (OK, so they used all caps and tried to make me feel small). I am much more bothered by dishonest business practices then I am by people who chose to express themselves inappropriately. |
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Live Auction: Standard Biscuit Cobb - Shill Bidding?
Posted By: barrysloate
Matt- sorry you had to be harassed by a bunch of loose cannons (now I will probably get private emails from those same people!). |
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Live Auction: Standard Biscuit Cobb - Shill Bidding?
Posted By: Jeff Lichtman
Nah, Barry, couldn't happen to you. |
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Live Auction: Standard Biscuit Cobb - Shill Bidding?
Posted By: Al Simeone
Matt, |
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Live Auction: Standard Biscuit Cobb - Shill Bidding?
Posted By: Matt
Jeff - you and Rheet have both now said you have no problem with me outing the listing, yet looking back on the thread, you were the first ones to object to my posting it (albeit subtle objections). You now seem to agree that there was nothing to "out" as it was an obvious auction, I'm not sure what changed. |
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Live Auction: Standard Biscuit Cobb - Shill Bidding?
Posted By: Jeff Lichtman
Because in theory I agree with you 100%; it was the right thing to do and you had no ill-intent. In practice, I was concerned that your good deed might cost me some money. Based on my response, I hope it was clear that I begrudgingly recognized that you did the right thing. |
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Live Auction: Standard Biscuit Cobb - Shill Bidding?
Posted By: barrysloate
I still think "outing" is defined as revealing an auction that is hidden in the wrong category, and would likely be missed by most people. Can we all agree that a Ty Cobb card placed in the right category with "Ty Cobb" spelled correctly in the title will be seen by everybody who cares? |
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Live Auction: Standard Biscuit Cobb - Shill Bidding?
Posted By: Matt
got it. thanks Jeff. |
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Live Auction: Standard Biscuit Cobb - Shill Bidding?
Posted By: Dan Bretta
Matt, while nothing really gets past most of these guys...it's conceivable that one or two items might get past one of these guys who may have seen this post. While not likely it could happen and I think that's why most people don't like to see any ebay auctions posted here until they are over. |
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Live Auction: Standard Biscuit Cobb - Shill Bidding?
Posted By: Matt
Dan - is that a retraction from: |
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Live Auction: Standard Biscuit Cobb - Shill Bidding?
Posted By: Dan Bretta
Matt, I'm not retracting anything...that's how some people feel...I do not. One guy ain't going to make a difference when hundreds already saw it. It's Ty Freaking Cobb. |
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Live Auction: Standard Biscuit Cobb - Shill Bidding?
Posted By: bigfish387t
This idea of shill bidding should have been brought up after the auction had closed. I think the price would have went high either way. Scott, great card. |
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Live Auction: Standard Biscuit Cobb - Shill Bidding?
Posted By: Scot
Wow!, Just had a chance to sit down at a computer. |
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Live Auction: Standard Biscuit Cobb - Shill Bidding?
Posted By: Joe D.
congrats on two great pickups. |
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Live Auction: Standard Biscuit Cobb - Shill Bidding?
Posted By: MVSNYC
"I'm happy with the card and price." |
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Live Auction: Standard Biscuit Cobb - Shill Bidding?
Posted By: Frank Wakefield
Scot, |
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Live Auction: Standard Biscuit Cobb - Shill Bidding?
Posted By: Matt
"i think this should be a lesson for outing auctions BEFORE they are over...people need to be MORE selective doing it." |
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Live Auction: Standard Biscuit Cobb - Shill Bidding?
Posted By: Al Simeone
Matt, |
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Live Auction: Standard Biscuit Cobb - Shill Bidding?
Posted By: Rob Dewolf
Without taking sides on the outing issue, a sample size of 1 (this particular auction for the Cobb) proves nothing. |
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Live Auction: Standard Biscuit Cobb - Shill Bidding?
Posted By: Matt
Rob - I agree. Unfortunately, we don't have any other data. It does, however, disprove the notion that outing an auction will definitely affect the outcome. |
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Live Auction: Standard Biscuit Cobb - Shill Bidding?
Posted By: Al Simeone
Matt, |
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Live Auction: Standard Biscuit Cobb - Shill Bidding?
Posted By: Matt
Al, you can disagree, but that's the way logic works. I said: |
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Live Auction: Standard Biscuit Cobb - Shill Bidding?
Posted By: Al Simeone
Well after the others see the last few posts I guess we will let them weigh in with thier thoughts and comments and see if they think what you said is a fair statement. |
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Live Auction: Standard Biscuit Cobb - Shill Bidding?
Posted By: MVSNYC
"outing a live auction of a vintage card that is listed in the correct category has absolutely 0 effect on the auction outcome" |
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Live Auction: Standard Biscuit Cobb - Shill Bidding?
Posted By: Matt
MVSYNC - if you read what I wrote, I said it disproves the use of the word definitely and always. |
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Live Auction: Standard Biscuit Cobb - Shill Bidding?
Posted By: MVSNYC
i didn't interpret it that way. |
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Live Auction: Standard Biscuit Cobb - Shill Bidding?
Posted By: Al Simeone
Matt, |
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Live Auction: Standard Biscuit Cobb - Shill Bidding?
Posted By: Al Simeone
MVSNYC, |
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