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Old 05-16-2006, 01:55 AM
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Posted By: Alex

The New York American League team in the 1911 T205 set is shown as being the "New York Yankees". According to baseball-reference.com, this team was known as the "New York Highlanders" from 1903 until 1912; the name was changed to the "New York Yankees" in 1913.

New York Yankees (1913 - present)
New York Highlanders (1903 - 1912)

Also, the Brooklyn National League team in the 1911 T205 set is shown as being the "Brooklyn Superbas". baseball-reference.com shows that they were only known as the "Brooklyn Superbas" during the years 1899-1910 and 1913.

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Brooklyn Dodgers (1911, 1912, 1932 - 1957)
Brooklyn Robins (1914 - 1931)
Brooklyn Superbas (1899 - 1910, 1913)
Brooklyn Bridegrooms (1888 - 1890, 1896 - 1898)
Brooklyn Grooms (1891 - 1895)
Brooklyn Grays (1885 - 1887)
Brooklyn Atlantics (1884)

I could understand the use of "Superbas" in the 1911 T205 set if the cards were printed in late 1910 or early 1911 before the name was officially changed to the "Dodgers", but why would it show "New York Yankees" on the T205 cards if they were issued in 1911?

Was the T205 set actually issued in 1913?

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Old 05-16-2006, 10:17 AM
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Teams really didn't have hard a fast nicknames until the late teens. Up to that point, teams had several nicknames, but there is usually one accepted name for a given era. Many times, teams would take their nicknames from star players, such as the Cleveland Naps (Napoleon Lajoie), or their manager, such as the Brooklyn Robins (for Wilbert Robinson). I am pretty sure the name Yankees was used by sportswriters and fans for several years before it was officially adopted.

Team names were still pretty fluid in the early teens, you can't really use a team name to date the set. With t205s, the biggest clue as to when they were produced is the stats on the back of the cards.

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Posted By: J Levine

Jay is correct that most teams used several names. The Dodgers from 1910 to 1930 had at least five nicknames including the Dodgers, the Trolley Dodgers, the Robins, the Superbas, and the Supers...

As to the date of the T205 set it is pretty accurate. It is definitely printed in 1911. This is established in that Addie Joss died in April of 1911 as noted on his card. The other way to date the set is the trades that were included in the set including the Shean/Graham Cubs/Rustlers trades. Graham was traded midseason between the two teams and was out of baseball by 1912.

Also, many of the card backs talk about the last season statistics and accomplishments, not to mention the printed stats only go until 1910.

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Posted By: Shawn Adkins

I'm also on the 1911 bandwagon. Minor leaguer Hick Cady was signed by the Red Sox in late 1911, this was also the only year in which the Boston Rustlers were named as such and Jimmy Collins retired after the 1911 season.

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