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I had some talks with a few collectors friends this morning. Many are sadden with this decision. And I don't believe PSA will cross SGC cards at the current SGC grade.
I like SGC cards, but I am now very hesitant to buy them right now until I hear additional information about this buyout. It will be interesting to see what impact this has on SGC cards in the future. |
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Unless Nat starts grading cards himself, I think this is a postive for the hobby. I think CGC will move up too...
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Competition is good for the customers and collectors. It allows prices to be low, grading times to be faster. It allows difference in slabs styles and diversity. As some mentioned and I think it's a great point, I doubt PSA will crossover the same grade from SGC.
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My first reaction was the opposite...
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The last time I spoke to SGC, at a National, they told me that Dave F was behind the curtain grading cards. Think about that for a minute.
Do I really need to say anything else? ps... I think this bodes very well for CGC too...
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It might be time for me to give CGC a try.
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Until one of these companies makes an announcement, which will be short on facts, I could see the value of SGC dropping dramatically and submissions being down too.
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TCG cards like Pokemon. That's mostly what they grade.
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My question to you is will you and the hobby as a whole still submit going forward to SGC? If SGC continues to grade the high volume of cards monthly that they have been if people still have confidence and send them cards to grade, they will stay separate. If that drops off and drops off drastically, I believe PSA will take over the full grading aspect of SGC, what are your thoughts on that? Last edited by Johnny630; 02-29-2024 at 08:08 AM. |
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With this news I expect by May submissions to SGC to be down 30-50%.
Who would submit now after hearing this?
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I expect them to jump drastically in the short term as opposed to dropping. People want their cards graded by Sgc before any dumb changes take effect. Procrastinators with old labels, PC cards etc.
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I don't think anything drastic will happen in the short term and SGC will continue to grade cards as SGC, and so long as that is the case, I will continue to submit to SGC. I have no aversion to acquire new cards in SGC slabs just because there is a question mark if SGC slabs will remain around for the long term. I have cards in old GAI slabs and old SCD slabs, even though those companies are long gone. I am not invested in the PSA registry and I am not OCD enough so as to be averse to having different slabs in my collection. I will also continue to submit to Beckett. I like their slabs and trust their grading, based on my own personal experiences.
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Ray what you said I agree with you I’m just trying to play the other side and see what the other side is thinking. Not trying to argue just trying to get the other view too. Let’s see what other say but I do agree with the drop off, probably sadly happening. |
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I would assume that PSA looked at SGC's #s, and felt that they were on track to take a larger % of the market. Financially, it would make sense then to buy out SGC and close them down, if the cost of doing so was less than the market share loss they were projecting.
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I don't think there's going to be a mixed registry, or even a registry on the horizon. At least in the somewhat near-term.
People who send their stuff to SGC obviously don't really care about a registry to begin with. They just want accurate-ish grades, a quicker turnaround, and semi-attractive holders. I think 1st things 1st, is the search engine for the pop report needs to be cleaned up. Just looking through the T206's while submitting, there can be multiple choices for the exact same card, while not even offering a choice on the various back variations within each brand that has them. Can be even more confusing with many of the more obscure tobacco sets. I don't know how much money PSA paid for SGC, but if most that was said is to be believed, hopefully there's language in the contract that forbids PSA from disappearing the brand or even many of it's practices from existence. I've also just sent in 21 cards to SGC that I've been procrastinating on for awhile. Nothing to knock your socks off, but the announcement kind of motivated me to get it done. Figured I'd already dragged my ass on them for awhile...didn't want to give PSA 6 more months to drag their ass on them on top of that. I have a hard time believing PSA spent a lot of money just to disappear SGC and alienate a load of vintage collectors in the process. Many who have no interest in losing contact with their cards for months (much, much longer in the not so distant past) on end, and likely wouldn't get a lot of their cards graded otherwise. Whatever market share SGC has...PSA isn't going to just get it, simply by doing things the way PSA has always done things. SGC got most of that market share by doing certain things different from PSA to begin with. A lot of collectors will just as soon keep most of their lower grade/value stuff raw, or in whatever holders they already reside in. |
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Interesting - I have a stack that I was planning to send them but this news changed my mind. They will either remain raw or go to CGC, for now at least.
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I just looked at the PSA grading "specials" for the month..
I have not been a PSA member in 10+ years, boy how the fees and turnaround times have changed. I sure hope SGC stays the same, I cant imaging paying $15 bucks a card and waiting 2+ months to get the card back |
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