Local John Stockton Mask Controversy

[BobbyStrawberry]

Originally Posted by tschock

Probably to the same ironic extent that a similar set of people now demand that others protect them from their lifelong unhealthy habits by demanding that everyone else wear a mask.

Not a conspiracy subscriber by any means, but sick of all the half-truths and unanswered questions/concerns from all sides. Too much agenda and emotion, not enough objectivity and logic. No wonder people can't make informed choices.

Here's some objectivity and logic for you: COVID-19 has led to the death of nearly a million people in the US alone. Masks help to stop the spread of COVID-19. If you're asked to wear one, wear one.

[irv]

Originally Posted by BobbyStrawberry

Here's some objectivity and logic for you: COVID-19 has led to the death of nearly a million people in the US alone. Masks help to stop the spread of COVID-19. If you're asked to wear one, wear one.

Oh, really.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ipUn5goyM2I

And do you honestly think almost a million people died "OF" covid in the U.S.?

If you have the flu and fall down the stairs and break your neck, is that a flu death? No, so why is it if you do the same thing but test positive for covid, it is a covid death???
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tw9Ci2PZKZg

Belong to facebook? If so, watch this. Like I said earlier, the truth is coming out.
https://www.facebook.com/727876236/p...789866237/?d=n

[Carter08]

Originally Posted by irv

Oh, really.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ipUn5goyM2I

And do you honestly think almost a million people died "OF" covid in the U.S.?

If you have the flu and fall down the stairs and break your neck, is that a flu death? No, so why is it if you do the same thing but test positive for covid, it is a covid death???
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tw9Ci2PZKZg

Belong to facebook? If so, watch this. Like I said earlier, the truth is coming out.
https://www.facebook.com/727876236/p...789866237/?d=n

It seems like you are almost pro-covid. Kind of like get it and it’ll be fun. Or do you just think the government is going too far? Seems like many people could draw at least a middle ground of recognizing it has killed a lot of loved ones but you think forced vaccinations go too far and you’re willing to wear a mask sort of position. Where do you come out?

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Carter08

It seems like you are almost pro-covid. Kind of like get it and it’ll be fun. Or do you just think the government is going too far? Seems like many people could draw at least a middle ground of recognizing it has killed a lot of loved ones but you think forced vaccinations go too far and you’re willing to wear a mask sort of position. Where do you come out?

It's just a flu that's being used by world governments to paralyze people with fear, control them, brainwash them, and move the world towards the great Reset. And if you don't believe that, you're suffering from mass psychosis. End of story.

[Peter_Spaeth]

By the way the Moderna vax got final FDA approval two days ago. So what's the conspiracy theory take on that? Or can we finally stop hearing about the "experimental" vaccines?

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

By the way the Moderna vax got final FDA approval two days ago. So what's the conspiracy theory take on that? Or can we finally stop hearing about the "experimental" vaccines?

No, unfortunately the bat shit crazy wackos will say that is a conspiracy also.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by bnorth

No, unfortunately the bat shit crazy wackos will say that is a conspiracy also.

Oh, I am sure the anti crowd has already pivoted to some new BS party line.

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Oh, I am sure the anti crowd has already pivoted to some new BS party line.

I agree.

To anyone that is offended by previous post I can guarantee I am way more offended by your conspiracy posts.

[irv]

To anyone who still believes we are going to vaccinate our way out of this pandemic after 2 yrs is delusional.

They will keep it going as long as people keep buying in. If you can't see that by now, then you need your eyes checked, among other things.

[earlywynnfan]

Originally Posted by irv

Belong to facebook? If so, watch this. Like I said earlier, the truth is coming out.
https://www.facebook.com/727876236/p...789866237/?d=n

Is this the same Fox News you are getting information on how vaccines are bad and masks aren't important?

https://www.businessinsider.com/fox-...on-2021-7?op=1

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/fo...ies/ar-AAQw0Jk

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/12/20/b...e-mandate.html

[Peter_Spaeth]

Dale that's one hell of a conspiracy you are imagining there, and I assume it's global not just the U.S./Canada. I wonder how "they" all manage to stay on the same page every day. Conference call/zoom call with 1000s of participants, maybe? Massive listserv emails? How did it start by the way? Who's in charge?

But let's talk about a specific issue. Since you made such a big deal pushing the idea that the Pfizer vax wasn't really approved, that some phantom product was, and that the vaccines were still "experimental," talk to me about Moderna and its approval now, I need to keep up. One of your Twitter feeds must have the party line, no?

Let me guess. The party line has now shifted from "experimental vaccines" to the FDA is just part of the conspiracy and Big Pharma paid for the approval. Let me know. Also let me know if you have an explanation other than changing the subject for all the data showing vaccines and boosters do help a great deal, if not perfectly, keeping people out of the hospital and from dying. Or is all that data a lie, and everyone involved in its collection and analysis a liar?

[irv]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Dale that's one hell of a conspiracy you are imagining there, and I assume it's global not just the U.S./Canada. I wonder how "they" all manage to stay on the same page every day. Conference call/zoom call with 1000s of participants, maybe? Massive listserv emails? How did it start by the way? Who's in charge?

But let's talk about a specific issue. Since you made such a big deal pushing the idea that the Pfizer vax wasn't really approved, that some phantom product was, and that the vaccines were still "experimental," talk to me about Moderna and its approval now, I need to keep up. One of your Twitter feeds must have the party line, no?

Let me guess. The party line has now shifted from "experimental vaccines" to the FDA is just part of the conspiracy and Big Pharma paid for the approval. Let me know. Also let me know if you have an explanation other than changing the subject for all the data showing vaccines and boosters do help a great deal, if not perfectly, keeping people out of the hospital and from dying. Or is all that data a lie, and everyone involved in its collection and analysis a liar?

What I find funny and what happens quite often with you, Peter, is you never acknowledge anything I post. Just straight to the insults like I dreamt them up and wrote them down myself.
I try hard, or at least I think I do, to factcheck/verify everything I post but I guess actual news stories from reliable sources and videos from other people in the know are not good enough for you?

Vids of Fauci, the CDC, the inventors of the PCR and the vaccines themselves is all fake news, conspiracy theories to you.

Regardless, you obviously think everything is above board and nothing has changed as far as the truth being told, so there is no sense carrying on with you. You are either blind or have a ton of money invested in pharmaceuticals, or maybe both, so continue to believe and boost away, Peter. We'll get there some day, herd immunity is just around the corner!

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by irv

What I find funny and what happens quite often with you, Peter, is you never acknowledge anything I post. Just straight to the insults like I dreamt them up and wrote them down myself.
I try hard, or at least I think I do, to factcheck/verify everything I post but I guess actual news stories from reliable sources and videos from other people in the know are not good enough for you?

Vids of Fauci, the CDC, the inventors of the PCR and the vaccines themselves is all fake news, conspiracy theories to you.

Regardless, you obviously think everything is above board and nothing has changed as far as the truth being told, so there is no sense carrying on with you. You are either blind or have a ton of money invested in pharmaceuticals, or maybe both, so continue to believe and boost away, Peter. We'll get there some day, herd immunity is just around the corner!

You have also avoided every direct question, even the simple yes or no one.

My one question Dale. Do you think less people would have died without the vaccines and quarantines? Just a simple yes or no because I don't need any links or long explanation that doesn't give a yes or no answer.

OK a couple more and feel free to not answer them. Do you have any friends in real life that you actually hang out with? Has the area you live been hit by Covid? Do you know anyone in real life that has died form it? These are not meant to be insulting questions in any way.

I have a brother that we share a dad. He is the one that Covid has left him with health problems. I also have a brother that we share a mother. My brother that we share a mother lives in a different part of the country. Our mother died(not covid) and my brother took care of everything. I traveled to the funeral. My brother and his friends sounded exactly like you. He could tell I was getting upset and asked why. I asked if he knew anyone that died because he and his friends sounded like a bunch of morons. It got real quiet. He said no and that only 2 people in the entire county he lived in got it and it was very minor for them. That is why they all thought it was a big conspiracy. They had not seen what Covid can do in real life. I explained how I have lost many friends and my other brother has long term health problems.

They all felt like idiots and apologized to me for their beyond stupid remarks. It also made me understand how someone could not take something so deadly serious and make stupid conspiracy theory remarks about it without having severe mental problems.

That is a very short version of why I feel the way I do.

[tschock]

Originally Posted by bnorth

Do you think less people would have died without the vaccines and quarantines? Just a simple yes or no because I don't need any links or long explanation that doesn't give a yes or no answer.

Not specifically directed at you but a jumping off point.

To the question as posed, No. But it ignores other aspects to our response (the unintended consequences), which we may never fully realize but do exist. Those whose health was impacted by imposed isolation and FUD being spread on how to deal with the virus. Should we ignore that? Those holding off on treatment, suicides, not to mention the cost of stress and other impacts. Or should we remove from the count the policies that were put in place that caused additional deaths (warehousing positive patients in nursing homes, as one example). What if we had let the let the virus run it's course initially? Could we have had more initial deaths but less in the long run? Who knows. So it's not a binary question and answer.

To be harsh, but if you really want to understand the impact to the population as a whole, you need to determine the lost 'time of life' to determine the true impact. In the extreme, it is a bigger 'loss of life' for a million children to die than a million elderly patients (of which I would be one). Back when I was paying attention to the numbers on the CDC website (late 2020) when there were hundreds of thousands of deaths but the total number of deaths for those under 18 were under 100 and those under 6 were ZERO. But of course that type of analysis doesn't play well to people's emotions beyond pissing some off into flippantly saying it is 'uncaring' to do that.

There are a lot of crackpot theories out there, but not all that disagree are basing it on crackpot theories either. And as to those questioning those who mistrust what the government and the experts are saying, why do you find that surprising? Have you not been paying attention for the past 8-10 years (and longer)?

[tschock]

Originally Posted by BobbyStrawberry

Here's some objectivity and logic for you: COVID-19 has led to the death of nearly a million people in the US alone. Masks help to stop the spread of COVID-19. If you're asked to wear one, wear one.

As well as other factors. Which is why the CDC itself classifies all COVID related deaths as a co-morbidity factor. I'm vaccinated, and I mask under most circumstances (indoors in public). But that doesn't avoid some of the idiotic and inconsistent policies being promoted (such as requiring proof of vaccination to work in a company where almost everyone is working from home).

[Republicaninmass]

Scott Gottlieb is for dumping the mask mandate. Anyone know who he is? Just one of those "rich Republicans". Former FDA commissioner, now on Board of Directors as Pfizer. Doubtful his prior experience had anything to do with Pfizers vaccine approval. Congress likes the stock.



NIH covid treatment guidelines : exposure can occur within 6 feet of an infectious source. Face coverings may reduce the spread.

This is modeled after Fauci's mask guidelines. Surprisingly his wife, Christine Grady is head of their department. Doubtful pillow talk revolves around covid guidelines.


We are severely limiting the sources, and therefore narratives, to form our own judgments. Can that at least be agreed upon?

[Carter08]

Originally Posted by Republicaninmass

Scott Gottlieb is for dumping the mask mandate. Anyone know who he is? Just one of those "rich Republicans". Former FDA commissioner, now on Board of Directors as Pfizer. Doubtful his prior experience had anything to do with Pfizers vaccine approval. Congress likes the stock.



NIH covid treatment guidelines : exposure can occur within 6 feet of an infectious source. Face coverings may reduce the spread.

This is modeled after Fauci's mask guidelines. Surprisingly his wife, Christine Grady is head of their department. Doubtful pillow talk revolves around covid guidelines.


We are severely limiting the sources, and therefore narratives, to form our own judgments. Can that at least be agreed upon?

My source to form my judgment is not the tv or internet because that seems like a truly bad idea. It’s my doctor I trust.

[Republicaninmass]

Originally Posted by Carter08

My source to form my judgment is not the tv or internet because that seems like a truly bad idea. It’s my doctor I trust.

I can understand and appreciate that. I just shudder to think that doctors believed, and had/have people convinced, this was some sort of "new disease" and claiming that we didnt know how it spread.

That was the initial narrative. When it fact, it's just like every other coronavirus we have ever encountered, just identified as slightly more virulent. I'm not conspiracist, but when the "nut jobs" even have a shred of truth to their arguements, and anyone is automatically labeled or cancelling with an opposing viewpoint, the mind does wander.

Was anyone called an Anti-vaxxer when they decided not take a flu shot? It's been a few years now I cant remember.

I never wore a mask while hiking or outdoors. I washed my hands every dam time I went out, even when I touched the mail. Luckily, I never had a positive test in just under 100 brain ticklers, or lost my smell/taste.

Nor did I lose anyone to Covid. Well barring my dad in 2014. Doctors specifically asked if he had travled to the middle east as what he had mimicked MERS to a T. Diabetic and overweight with exact covid symptoms, died on a vent, died of sepsis/heart attack. Hmmmmm, i will alway say it was likley covid ...14.

I consider myself fortunate. However, I just dont think big government, or anyone else, has my best interest at heart. I dont even what to think if hemmorgatic fever or a terrible disease how people would react.

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[earlywynnfan]

Originally Posted by Republicaninmass

I can understand and appreciate that. I just shudder to think that doctors believed, and had/have people convinced, this was some sort of "new disease" and claiming that we didnt know how it spread.

That was the initial narrative. When it fact, it's just like every other coronavirus we have ever encountered, just identified as slightly more virulent. I'm not conspiracist, but when the "nut jobs" even have a shred of truth to their arguements, and anyone is automatically labeled or cancelling with an opposing viewpoint, the mind does wander.

Was anyone called an Anti-vaxxer when they decided not take a flu shot? It's been a few years now I cant remember.

I never wore a mask while hiking or outdoors. I washed my hands every dam time I went out, even when I touched the mail. Luckily, I never had a positive test in just under 100 brain ticklers, or lost my smell/taste.

Nor did I lose anyone to Covid. Well barring my dad in 2014. Doctors specifically asked if he had travled to the middle east as what he had mimicked MERS to a T. Diabetic and overweight with exact covid symptoms, died on a vent, died of sepsis/heart attack. Hmmmmm, i will alway say it was likley covid ...14.

I consider myself fortunate. However, I just dont think big government, or anyone else, has my best interest at heart. I dont even what to think if hemmorgatic fever or a terrible disease how people would react.

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FWIW, pretty sure the first time "anti-vaxxer" entered my consciousness was in regards to parents not getting their kids vaxxed for measles, unfortunately leading to many outbreaks.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Latest statistics from "them." I think there was a worldwide conference call this morning and they came up with this out of thin air.

For those who are boosted, the average weekly deaths was 0.1 per 100,000 people, meaning that unvaccinated individuals were 97 times more likely to die compared to those who were boosted.

I must be blind to believe this.

[tschock]

Originally Posted by Republicaninmass

We are severely limiting the sources, and therefore narratives, to form our own judgments. Can that at least be agreed upon?

One could only hope.

[TUM301]

+1 my man.