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Kershaw is 49.6 innings behind Koufax.
To match Koufax he would have to do the following over his next 49.6 innings. Lose 13 games Give up 39 hits and walk 240 batters. 31 of those hits need to be HR's Give up 96 Earned Runs, resulting in a nifty 17.12 ERA And he'd still have more wins and strikeouts than Koufax. Keep in mind the difference of eras too. Koufax played in a pitching era and Kershaw in a hitter's era. Same number of Cy Young Awards. Kershaw has 7 top 5 finishes in the award voting, Koufax has 4. Maybe we tend to honor the baseball from the past more because we dig vintage baseball cards. But the numbers don't lie, Kershaw is better than the left arm of God. https://www.baseball-reference.com/p...ershcl01.shtml https://www.baseball-reference.com/p...oufasa01.shtml
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Koufax was amazing during the World Series. I never said Koufax wasn't great. Even if Kershaw has been pedestrian like in the playoffs, the far superior regular season performance of over 2200 innings means more to me. I did forget to leave out his ERA+ which helps highlight the different eras they pitched in. Kershaw is 157 2nd highest All Time Koufax is 131 Others mentioned Grove 148 Randy Johnson 135 Plank 122
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The pitcher controls the ball on defense. Despite being a team sport, it is the pitcher that can win a championship. Just look at 1965 when the World Series was tied at 2-2. Koufax went out and pitched shutouts in game 5 and game 7. Why can’t Kershaw do that even once to bring the Dodgers a championship? The Dodgers have been good enough to make the postseason 9 times and are 0-9 because Kershaw has pitched poorly. ERA+ just tells me how weak the pitching was in those eras. They weren’t competing against Spahn, Gibson, Marichal, Bunning, Perry and Sutton. Last edited by rats60; 07-10-2020 at 09:46 AM. |
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I always thought it was Lefty Grove who, in 1930, pitched a quadruple-crown leading MLB in Wins, ERA, Strikeputs, and Saves.
Decided to look it up in Baseball Refenence. They have pitching WAR. Grove was the best lefty at about 9% greater than Randy Johnson. Koufax didn’t make the top 20. Grove also had a better 4-year streak than Koufax, although I don’t know why people use that as a metric |
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I find it extremely odd to see it argued that playing in a high offense era should somehow hurt a pitchers all time ranking, and that guys like Koufax who played in the easiest possible circumstances (pitching park, on a high mound, during a deadball era) must be better because there were many other great pitchers then. Dominating in tougher circumstances should be an advantage.
As for the 4 year peak arguments, I think this appears solely because it is the only way to try and argue Sandy (even though Grove and Kershaw both have equal or better peaks and better overall careers) is #1. |
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I like Spahn and Carlton
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That does nothing to take away from what Kershaw has done in his career. I think he deserves the Koufax comparisons. But comparing career totals misses the story with Koufax in my opinion. |
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