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[Shoeless Moe]

I like the idiots calling for the Police to be eliminated, like in Minneapolis, those protesters will never be happy because that ain't happening, but if it does that town will burn in a matter of days.

Here's how it will go when you have no PD:


"911, what's your emergency?"

"My house is being broken into and I think they have guns."

"Ok, stay on the line, I have thoughts and prayers on the way."

[bobbyw8469]

Originally Posted by Shoeless Moe

I like the idiots calling for the Police to be eliminated, like in Minneapolis, those protesters will never be happy because that ain't happening, but if it does that town will burn in a matter of days.

Here's how it will go when you have no PD:


"911, what's your emergency?"

"My house is being broken into and I think they have guns."

"Ok, stay on the line, I have thoughts and prayers on the way."

LOL......yep...that's pretty much it. No police is akin to socialism. Everyone wants it until they live it and realize how crappy it is.

[gawaintheknight]

That is not, in fact, what is being called for. If you want to learn about the movement, which is admittedly very poorly and inaccurately named, you can go here:

https://www.rollingstone.com/politic...olice-1007254/

The basic idea is the police would continue to perform the function you are joking about, protecting people and property from violent assault, but they would no longer do a lot of the things we've come to expect them to do and which they aren't really trained to do. From the article above:

"Police themselves will admit this — that they are being called to respond to situations beyond the scope of their job. “We’re asking cops to do too much in this country,” Dallas Police Chief David Brown said in 2016, after five of his officers were targeted by a mass shooter. “Every societal failure, we put it off on the cops to solve. Not enough mental health funding, let the cops handle it… Here in Dallas we got a loose dog problem; let’s have the cops chase loose dogs. Schools fail, let’s give it to the cops… That’s too much to ask. Policing was never meant to solve all those problems.”"

You focus on preventing problems caused by social forces like racism, poor education, and poverty rather than relying on heavily armed people to deal with the consequences of those problems even though it's outside of their training. So you take money from the police and shift it to after school programs, addressing homelessness, treatment for mental illness, drug abuse prevention and treatment, and things like that. Makes sense to me, but it's a stupid name because it leads people to draw the wrong conclusions about what it intends to do.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by gawaintheknight

That is not, in fact, what is being called for. If you want to learn about the movement, which is admittedly very poorly and inaccurately named, you can go here:

https://www.rollingstone.com/politic...olice-1007254/

The basic idea is the police would continue to perform the function you are joking about, protecting people and property from violent assault, but they would no longer do a lot of the things we've come to expect them to do and which they aren't really trained to do. From the article above:

"Police themselves will admit this — that they are being called to respond to situations beyond the scope of their job. “We’re asking cops to do too much in this country,” Dallas Police Chief David Brown said in 2016, after five of his officers were targeted by a mass shooter. “Every societal failure, we put it off on the cops to solve. Not enough mental health funding, let the cops handle it… Here in Dallas we got a loose dog problem; let’s have the cops chase loose dogs. Schools fail, let’s give it to the cops… That’s too much to ask. Policing was never meant to solve all those problems.”"

You focus on preventing problems caused by social forces like racism, poor education, and poverty rather than relying on heavily armed people to deal with the consequences of those problems even though it's outside of their training. So you take money from the police and shift it to after school programs, addressing homelessness, treatment for mental illness, drug abuse prevention and treatment, and things like that. Makes sense to me, but it's a stupid name because it leads people to draw the wrong conclusions about what it intends to do.

i agree with helping with the society's ills, schools, housing, poverty etc but have you seen how the money is actually spent and how many deaths have been caused by police versus by citizens on citizens...the mayors and many politicians keep promising to shift money to these areas for years and now they are blaming the police....

[packs]

Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

i agree with helping with the society's ills, schools, housing, poverty etc but have you seen how the money is actually spent and how many deaths have been caused by police versus by citizens on citizens...the mayors and many politicians keep promising to shift money to these areas for years and now they are blaming the police....

I don't think you need to cover all things at all times. This protest and movement is about something specific and we've already seen reforms take place, with others up for vote in their respective state and federal governments.

If you feel so strongly for your causes these protests should give you hope that your protest may be successful as well.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by packs

I don't think you need to cover all things at all times. This protest and movement is about something specific and we've already seen reforms take place, with others up for vote in their respective state and federal governments.

If you feel so strongly for your causes these protests should give you hope that your protest may be successful as well.

however if there is focus on one thing and its like 5 down on the chain...there is only so much money and attention people will go all in for a period of time...theres an opportunity cost of focusing on one thing which may not be the ideal thing by far

[packs]

Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

however if there is focus on one thing and its like 5 down on the chain...there is only so much money and attention people will go all in for a period of time...theres an opportunity cost of focusing on one thing which may not be the ideal thing by far

If these issues are important to you I would urge you to organize. Protests are meaningful.

[gawaintheknight]

Here's a long-ish essay by someone claiming to be a former cop that covers things pretty well. I'm not saying I agree, but if you are really interested in learning what the "defund the police" movement is about, it describes the position in some depth.

https://medium.com/@OfcrACab/confess...p-bb14d17bc759

Ted

Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

i agree with helping with the society's ills, schools, housing, poverty etc but have you seen how the money is actually spent and how many deaths have been caused by police versus by citizens on citizens...the mayors and many politicians keep promising to shift money to these areas for years and now they are blaming the police....

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by gawaintheknight

Here's a long-ish essay by someone claiming to be a former cop that covers things pretty well. I'm not saying I agree, but if you are really interested in learning what the "defund the police" movement is about, it describes the position in some depth.

https://medium.com/@OfcrACab/confess...p-bb14d17bc759

Ted

can always take money from somewhere else instead of the police department to help in troubled areas. I would take a wild guess that there are funds being spent somewhere else that may not help the community versus paying for police. Police/state attorneys are all one package by the way.
Not sure the criminals will carry lesser weapons if the police have lesser weapons....

body cams are really expensive, a lot of recent funding went to that and that appears worthy..

[gawaintheknight]

If you are taking responsibilities away from the police, then you can also take the money to pay for those responsibilities from the police. That seems pretty obvious to me.