T206 Reference / Reflections.....Tuesday Nite Trivia

[Rhotchkiss]

Right now, I am into Brown Old Mills -- probably the smallest back-sub-set, but likely the most difficult to complete

[Ronnie73]

Originally Posted by Rhotchkiss

Right now, I am into Brown Old Mills -- probably the smallest back-sub-set, but likely the most difficult to complete

Incredible cards Ryan!! I'd say they are one of the most difficult subsets. Especially when unique new discovery cards can show up at any time.

[tedzan]

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I'm including Gandil here with some of the tougher AB 460 cards, even though he is in the Exclusive 12 group which are more available than all the other 62 subjects
with the AB 460 backs. Gandil has a following with many collectors who collect "Black Sox" players. Therefore, because of this demand, Gandil's cards are quite tough
to find.










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LOOKING for one more T206 card to complete my AMERICAN BEAUTY 460 sub-set (74 subjects)

CAMNITZ (hands over head)..... A $100 reward to anyone who finds an AB 460 of this Camnitz for my set


TED Z
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[tedzan]

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In Post #920, I alluded to American Litho possibly having printed the AB 460 cards in 3 separate stages. I base this theory on my experiences acquiring the 73 (of 74)
AB 460 cards in the course of 15 years.

Furthermore in recent years, I provided David Hall with 14 of the tough AB 460 cards to complete this run in his master T206 set. This factor reinforced my knowledge
of what AB 460 cards are really scarce.....and, which cards are moderately tough to find.

The following three lists are the results of the above two factors......

Scarce AB 460 cards

Ball (Cleveland)
Bell (follow thru)
Camnitz (hands over head)
Chance (batting)
Chase (trophy)
Cobb (bat off shoulder)
Crawford (with bat)
L. Doyle (portrait)
Herzog (Boston)
Howell (hand at waist)
Jennings (one hand)
Lajoie (bat)
Leifield (batting)
Manning (pitching)
Marquard (follow thru)
McGraw (portrait-cap)
McQuillan (bat)
Mullin (bat)
Murray (portrait)
Payne

Schaefer (Washington)
Schlei (portrait)
Steinfeldt (bat)
Tinker(bat off shoulder)
Tinker(bat on shoulder)
H. Wagner (bat right shoulder)
Wilhelm (bat)
Willis (bat)
Wiltse (portrait-cap)



Moderately rare AB 460 cards

Abbaticcio (blue sleeves)
Bergen (catching)
Berger
Bescher (hands in air)
Bradley (bat)
Bridwell (portrait-cap)
Burch (fielding)
Camnitz (arm at side)
Conroy (bat)
Frill
Jennings (two hands)
Jordan (bat)
Lake (no ball)
Lake (with ball)
Latham
Leach (cap)
Merkle (throwing)
Meyers (portrait)
Needham
Oldring (bat)

Overall (blue sky)
Overall (yellow sky)
Pelty (vertical)
Pfeister (throwing)
Schlei (bat)
Schulte (back view)
Seymour (portrait)
F. Smith (Chicago & Boston)
H. Smith (Brooklyn)
Stovall (bat)
Doc White (pitching)
Willetts
Wiltse (pitching)

Exclusive 12....easiest AB 460 cards to find

Crandall (cap)
Devore
Duffy
Ford
Gandil
Geyer
Hummel
McGraw (glove at hip)
Pfeffer
Sheckard (glove)
Tannehill (Chicago)
Wheat

Illustrated here is my concept of an Exclusive 12 printed sheet....based on American Litho's 19" wide press.
And, a standard size 19" x 24" cardboard sheet.

.. v ............................................ 19" x 24" sheet .............................................v



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LOOKING for one more T206 card to complete my AMERICAN BEAUTY 460 sub-set (74 subjects)

CAMNITZ (hands over head)..... A $100 reward to anyone who finds an AB 460 of this Camnitz for my set


TED Z
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[RCMcKenzie]

I had a Fred Payne AB460, but traded it away for a bunch of T205's. I have too many projects going, and AB460 looks like a long slog. I am still gradually working on Cycle460, but there is a lot of competition on those too.

Here's another Howell port. Neat touch I thought of signed provenance card...

[t206kid]

I have 30/74 on the AB460 subset. It’s sort of hot and cold since they don’t come up too often.

Nice job on that scarcity list. I pretty much agree across the board

[tedzan]

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Too many T-brands to choose from; however, I'd say my favorite are AMERICAN BEAUTY 460 and UZIT. As I previous noted the AB 460 cards were printed at the tail-end
of the T206 production runs (circa Jan 1911). We have evidence from American Lithographic ledgers which inform us that the UZIT cards were printed & issued Feb 1911.
This marked the "end of the trail" for T206 production. Early in the Spring of 1911, American Litho switched into their Gold-bordered sets (T80, T205, etc.).
For all practical purposes we can consider the American Beauty 460 cards and the UZIT cards as "IDENTICAL TWINS". I am convinced that these two sub-sets of 74 cards
with identical T206 fronts were printed simultaneously. The AB 460 cards were shipped to the Durham (NC) Tobacco Factory (#42)….and, the UZIT cards were shipped to
the New York City Tobacco Factory (#30) to be inserted in their respective Cigarette packs.

Having said all that, let's now take a look at these "twins". The AB 460 McGraw is not a tough card to find. Its UZIT counterpart is virtually impossible. This UZIT McGraw
is the only one known (1/1).


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The AB 460 Herzog is a very tough card to find. And, its UZIT counterpart is virtually impossible....in fact this UZIT Herzog is the only one known (1/1).

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The AB 460 Wiltse (pitching) is quite the tough card to find. However, I did not have a tough time finding his UZIT counterpart.

AB 460
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TED Z
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[tedzan]

Originally Posted by t206kid

I have 30/74 on the AB460 subset. It’s sort of hot and cold since they don’t come up too often.

Nice job on that scarcity list. I pretty much agree across the board

Hey Jay

You're a young dude....don't give up on the AB 460 run. It's a long-term project that you will be proud of when you have acquired all 74 cards to complete it.

Will I see you at the Philly Show at the end of this month ?


TED Z
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[tedzan]

Originally Posted by RCMcKenzie

I had a Fred Payne AB460, but traded it away for a bunch of T205's. I have too many projects going, and AB460 looks like a long slog. I am still gradually working on Cycle460, but there is a lot of competition on those too.

Here's another Howell port. Neat touch I thought of signed provenance card...

Rob

Gee, had I known you had an AB 460 Payne to trade, I would have given you a bunch of T205's (or whatever) for Payne.
For at least 10 years now, I've tried to replace the beat-up Payne in my AB 460 set, but could not find one.


TED Z
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[RCMcKenzie]

Originally Posted by tedzan

Rob

Gee, had I known you had an AB 460 Payne to trade, I would have given you a bunch of T205's (or whatever) for Payne.
For at least 10 years now, I've tried to replace the beat-up Payne in my AB 460 set, but could not find one.


TED Z
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I hope it's okay to say, I traded it to JayK. I was happy with the return, as I'm working on some T205 back projects. I'm still picking up AB350 NF here and there.

Incidentally, one of the AB460's I still have is the fairly easy to find Crandall hat exclusive12 card for a back run I have had going for about 10 years. I think there is only one Crandall hat UZIT known. David Hall had it and it sold recently. I should have bought it...Rob