Outed cards, now including a 130K gain on an Aaron rookie

[Johnny630]

Originally Posted by perezfan

NO normal person submitting those cards would ever receive an "8".

I would be thrilled if it came back with a 6 in that condition, and would fully expect a 5 (or an "A", to be more specific). WTH is going on in Newport Beach?

They Are printing money

[Bigdaddy]

Originally Posted by Johnny630

They Are printing money

Bingo. And won't stop unless they are directed by a higher power.

[WhenItWasAHobby]

Originally Posted by Johnny630

They Are printing money

It amounts to that, doesn't it? It would be fascinating to see how much of these whopping profits actually gets reported to the IRS and then we'll find out if there is honor among thieves?

[samosa4u]

There are many different outlets for these doctored cards. Based on everything I have been reading so far, it looks like PWCC is the preferred choice for the majority of these card doctors. However, the earlier posts reveal that Will Jaimet was selling his cards through Memory Lane. What percentage of these doctored cards go through PWCC in comparison to the others? For example, would you say that at least fifty percent of them go through PWCC? Eighty percent? Thirty percent? What about Memory Lane, Heritage, REA, COMC? How would we divide the remaining percentage up among them?

My purpose of asking this question is to see which of the above companies have been hit the hardest, and most importantly, why they were selected in the first place. What made them so attractive to these card doctors? And as for the companies that have sold the fewest of these tainted cards, why is that? Do they have people running them who could spot some of these alterations even though they were encapsulated?

[japhi]

Latest uncovered is three known trimmers all in the same PSA sub. All cards were sold by PWCC, with PWCC as possibly the submitter.

What a great system. Sell cards that have restoration potential to a group of large dealers. Bring these cards back in house post restoration. Sub them on favourable terms. Get favourable results. Slap a HE sticker on them. Allow same dealers to shill the cards up.

Pretty incredible really, what a racket.

[Republicaninmass]

It's obvious, though not sure it is provable in court. I'll defer to counsel.

Many examples show:
High end consigned examples were shilled up to a point were either a doctor would buy and restore it, amd relist, or someone would be left holding the bag.

[perezfan]

Originally Posted by japhi

Latest uncovered is three known trimmers all in the same PSA sub. All cards were sold by PWCC, with PWCC as possibly the submitter.

What a great system. Sell cards that have restoration potential to a group of large dealers. Bring these cards back in house post restoration. Sub them on favourable terms. Get favourable results. Slap a HE sticker on them. Allow same dealers to shill the cards up.

Pretty incredible really, what a racket.

So who is the in-house person at PSA who is approving and bumping all of these cards for this high-profile account? Who is the PSA representative in charge of PWCC and their band of trimmers? They're getting authorizations and multi-grade bumps at an astronomical rate, as compared to the "normal" submitter.

The latest evidence in this thread is very damning for both PWCC and PSA...

https://www.blowoutforums.com/showth...333320&page=14

[Johnny630]

Originally Posted by perezfan

So who is the in-house person at PSA who is approving and bumping all of these cards for this high-profile account? Who is the PSA representative in charge of PWCC and their band of trimmers? They're getting authorizations and multi-grade bumps at an astronomical rate, as compared to the "normal" submitter.

The latest evidence in this thread is very damning for both PWCC and PSA...

https://www.blowoutforums.com/showth...333320&page=14

I doubt we will never find out. If there is someone caught via evidence that can be proven, to include emails, phone call, ect at psa doing the alleged above it would destroy PSA.They will stop at all means to not have exposed. It will be all handled via Money, Buying Back to avoid charges and exposure.. I expect PSA walks away squeaky Clean not exposed and or implicated. After all PSA IS TEFLON

[ALBB]

Yes, Id love for that info to be uncovered.....but what would happen in the end ?..somebody gets their " pound of flesh"...they things continue along as they were

[ejharrington]

Does anyone have a recommended process for investigating one’s own cards for possible alterations? For example, if I bought a Psa 6 graded card in 2014 are there certain internet references that people can recommend I go to look for that same card in a possibly lower grade and/or raw prior to my purchase? I have access to Worthpoint and VCP but if anyone has any other sites I would appreciate your input. Thanks.

[Fuddjcal]

Originally Posted by japhi

Latest uncovered is three known trimmers all in the same PSA sub. All cards were sold by PWCC, with PWCC as possibly the submitter.

What a great system. Sell cards that have restoration potential to a group of large dealers. Bring these cards back in house post restoration. Sub them on favourable terms. Get favourable results. Slap a HE sticker on them. Allow same dealers to shill the cards up.

Pretty incredible really, what a racket.

FOR 15 YEARS PLUS. Think about it...

And today, just another 4 K between friends...for a Sid Gordon and Alvin Chipmunk...LOL

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[phikappapsi]

Originally Posted by Fuddjcal

FOR 15 YEARS PLUS. Think about it...

And today, just another 4 K between friends...for a Sid Gordon and Alvin Chipmunk...LOL

https://www.blowoutforums.com/showpo...&postcount=354

ya know, this scandal pisses me off as it does everyone - but - if you're spending the same amount on a 1954 Sid Gordon; as you could spend on some very attractive playing day Babe Ruth's - then you almost deserve this nonsense. I understand the appeal of graded cards. I even understand the appeal of going after specific items in a particular grade which I've done. But if you're spending thousands of dollars on a common card, that nobody would EVER forge/reprint; that's readily available for $3-$5; then you're a fool.

[ullmandds]

Originally Posted by phikappapsi

ya know, this scandal pisses me off as it does everyone - but - if you're spending the same amount on a 1954 Sid Gordon; as you could spend on some very attractive playing day Babe Ruth's - then you almost deserve this nonsense. I understand the appeal of graded cards. I even understand the appeal of going after specific items in a particular grade which I've done. But if you're spending thousands of dollars on a common card, that nobody would EVER forge/reprint; that's readily available for $3-$5; then you're a fool.

+1

[japhi]

The best reveal from those blowout threads is PSA has a program where favoured dealers could sit with a grader in person and that grader would pick through the dealers cards and pull cards that would 10. Cost is 10 pee card, minimum 600 cards, and you only get slabbed 10s back.

Amazing how much of an idiot Orlando is to let these shenanigans go. What a small game they are playing, a 500mm company giving breaks to their hobby buddies. With that level of access - one on one’s with graders- pretty easy to see corruptible the process is. Imagine the influence a dealer like PWCC had been on their own grades. Or 4 sharp corners. The game is clearly rigged.

[ejharrington]

Originally Posted by phikappapsi

ya know, this scandal pisses me off as it does everyone - but - if you're spending the same amount on a 1954 Sid Gordon; as you could spend on some very attractive playing day Babe Ruth's - then you almost deserve this nonsense. I understand the appeal of graded cards. I even understand the appeal of going after specific items in a particular grade which I've done. But if you're spending thousands of dollars on a common card, that nobody would EVER forge/reprint; that's readily available for $3-$5; then you're a fool.

Blame the victim?

[phikappapsi]

Originally Posted by ejharrington

Blame the victim?

one could see it that way. or...

caveat emptor

or

a fool and his money...

You can hate the massive fraud, and still believe some of those whom the fraud is perpetrated against are idiots. They aren't mutually exclusive in my mind.

[samosa4u]

Originally Posted by phikappapsi

ya know, this scandal pisses me off as it does everyone - but - if you're spending the same amount on a 1954 Sid Gordon; as you could spend on some very attractive playing day Babe Ruth's - then you almost deserve this nonsense. I understand the appeal of graded cards. I even understand the appeal of going after specific items in a particular grade which I've done. But if you're spending thousands of dollars on a common card, that nobody would EVER forge/reprint; that's readily available for $3-$5; then you're a fool.

Hear! Hear!

[Peter_Spaeth]

Brent to Johnny (to doctor to Johnny?) to Brent to PSA to Brent to victim.

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