$100,000 Card

[GasHouseGang]

If you blow up the picture of the Jeter being auctioned, the bottom doesn't look very straight in the scan. It seems to curve down to the right. Maybe it's an optical illusion or just my monitor. You be the judge.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by GasHouseGang

If you blow up the picture of the Jeter being auctioned, the bottom doesn't look very straight in the scan. It seems to curve down to the right. Maybe it's an optical illusion or just my monitor. You be the judge.

Brent is calling a 4th year Jeter a rookie card.

[Rookiemonster]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Brent is calling a 4th year Jeter a rookie card.

1996 is Jeters rookie 1993 he’s still got years in the minors to go.

[rats60]

Originally Posted by Rookiemonster

1996 is Jeters rookie 1993 he’s still got years in the minors to go.

So is 1960 Topps no longer Yaz's rookie card?

[yanksfan09]

Originally Posted by Rookiemonster

1996 is Jeters rookie 1993 he’s still got years in the minors to go.

In the 90's the first cards made in the major league card issues were always a players RC. In the mid-late 2000's mlb started doing the whole "rookie label" thing. I think younger collectors of modern are used to rookie season, rookie logo stamped "RCs" but that wasn't the case or the norm in the 90's.

To further muddy the situation, Jeter has numerous 1995 issues that were produced after and make mention of his major league debut. So theoretically I can see people, depending on their own criteria, making cases for 1993, 1995, and 1996 cards. Although I never see the 1995 considered for whatever reason.

To me and I think the overwhelming majority of Jeter collectors, the 1993 issues are what we call his Rookies. But , people can collect whatever they want and different opinions are allowed .

[Rookiemonster]

Originally Posted by yanksfan09

In the 90's the first cards made in the major league card issues were always a players RC. In the mid-late 2000's mlb started doing the whole "rookie label" thing. I think younger collectors of modern are used to rookie season, rookie logo stamped "RCs" but that wasn't the case or the norm in the 90's.

To further muddy the situation, Jeter has numerous 1995 issues that were produced after and make mention of his major league debut. So theoretically I can see people, depending on their own criteria, making cases for 1993, 1995, and 1996 cards. Although I never see the 1995 considered for whatever reason.

To me and I think the overwhelming majority of Jeter collectors, the 1993 issues are what we call his Rookies. But , people can collect whatever they want and different opinions are allowed .

I fully understand how things have changed over the years. The reason for the rookie shield was because people didn’t know what to call a true rookie. Yes because people were calling guys first cards a rookie even before they ever played a game. But the truth of the matter is there is a hobby definition of what a rookie card is. Jeter had cards in 1992 so are these his rookies? Is a card print 3 years after a player retired his last card?

[rats60]

Originally Posted by Rookiemonster

I fully understand how things have changed over the years. The reason for the rookie shield was because people didn’t know what to call a true rookie. Yes because people were calling guys first cards a rookie even before they ever played a game. But the truth of the matter is there is a hobby definition of what a rookie card is. Jeter had cards in 1992 so are these his rookies? Is a card print 3 years after a player retired his last card?

No, people knew what rookie cards were. The hobby agreed on it in the early 80s. It is new collectors who have decided to try to change the definition. A rookie card is the first card issued in a nationally distributed major league set. It is pretty simple.

Jeter had minor league cards in 1992. His first major league cards are 1993, Topps, Score, Pinnacle, Upper Deck, SP and Stadium.

For example Carl Yastrzemski's RC is 1960 Topps not 1961 Topps even though he didn't play in the majors until 1961.

Eddie Murray's RC is 1978 Topps not the 1977 Orioles team issue because that is a regional.

Delino DeShields RC is 1990 Leaf (and other brands) not 1988 OPC because OPC was not issued in the USA.

The real confusion came when MLB said companies couldn't issue cards before a player's debut in 2006. This was because Topps signed players instead of signing with the Players Association. So Upper Deck and Playoff rarely had rookie cards in their sets. Topps got around this ruling in their Bowman sets by still making prospects but numbering them as inserts. Collectors at the time treated them as rookie cards, such as the 2009 Bowman Chrome Mike Trout. Newer collectors were confused and believed what Topps told them that the 2011 Topps Mike Trout was his RC. Topps pushed this narrative because it allowed them to sell more cards.

So, no the rookie shield isn't because people didn't know what the rookie is. It is because of a ruling in 2006 by MLB due to complaints from Upper Deck and Playoff about Topps almost monopoly on producing rookie cards.

[GasHouseGang]

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[Rookiemonster]

Originally Posted by rats60

No, people knew what rookie cards were. The hobby agreed on it in the early 80s. It is new collectors who have decided to try to change the definition. A rookie card is the first card issued in a nationally distributed major league set. It is pretty simple.

Jeter had minor league cards in 1992. His first major league cards are 1993, Topps, Score, Pinnacle, Upper Deck, SP and Stadium.

For example Carl Yastrzemski's RC is 1960 Topps not 1961 Topps even though he didn't play in the majors until 1961.

Eddie Murray's RC is 1978 Topps not the 1977 Orioles team issue because that is a regional.

Delino DeShields RC is 1990 Leaf (and other brands) not 1988 OPC because OPC was not issued in the USA.

The real confusion came when MLB said companies couldn't issue cards before a player's debut in 2006. This was because Topps signed players instead of signing with the Players Association. So Upper Deck and Playoff rarely had rookie cards in their sets. Topps got around this ruling in their Bowman sets by still making prospects but numbering them as inserts. Collectors at the time treated them as rookie cards, such as the 2009 Bowman Chrome Mike Trout. Newer collectors were confused and believed what Topps told them that the 2011 Topps Mike Trout was his RC. Topps pushed this narrative because it allowed them to sell more cards.

So, no the rookie shield isn't because people didn't know what the rookie is. It is because of a ruling in 2006 by MLB due to complaints from Upper Deck and Playoff about Topps almost monopoly on producing rookie cards.

Your not wrong in the case of what finally cause topps to make this move. But it wasn’t the only factor that was just the straw that broke the camels back. In order to be a true rookie the player must reach the highest point of competition. They should also be In a major league uni.

1979 Gretzky opc would not be a rookie because it’s not Nationally distributed .

[ullmandds]

Originally Posted by Rookiemonster

1996 is Jeters rookie 1993 he’s still got years in the minors to go.

there are 9000 psa 8 93' sp foils on the pop report...that's a lot!

[brianp-beme]

Originally Posted by GasHouseGang

If you blow up the picture of the Jeter being auctioned, the bottom doesn't look very straight in the scan. It seems to curve down to the right. Maybe it's an optical illusion or just my monitor. You be the judge.

I think it is an optical illusion. I believe it is the opaque part of the holder on the bottom right that droops down.

Brian