Outed cards, now including a 130K gain on an Aaron rookie

[chalupacollects]

Originally Posted by Johnny630

Are these the guys who put adds in big Papers Stating they will be at such and such hotel on such and such weekend buying card collections or are those different guys ?

Same guys...

[Johnny630]

Originally Posted by chalupacollects

Same guys...

Ugh.....

Wonder if these guys have front row seats at the Newport Beach Top Secret Invitationals with the graders

[Peter_Spaeth]

https://www.blowoutforums.com/showth...315750&page=51

and other pages on same the thread

Seriously. WTF is going on with PSA and this guy? What is the process here by which this is happening? I have spoken to dealers who have submitted high end vintage cards for a lifetime and haven't received as many 10s as this guy seems to get on a single submission. Some that can be traced to lower grade holders, some that can't.

This is really effed up, IMO.

Is there ever going to be a reckoning? Or is nobody ever going to bite the hand that feeds him?

[Johnny630]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

https://www.blowoutforums.com/showth...315750&page=51

and other pages on same the thread

Seriously. WTF is going on with PSA and this guy? What is the process here by which this is happening? I have spoken to dealers who have submitted high end vintage cards for a lifetime and haven't received as many 10s as this guy seems to get on a single submission. Some that can be traced to lower grade holders, some that can't.

This is really effed up, IMO.

Is there ever going to be a reckoning? Or is nobody ever going to bite the hand that feeds him?

PSA high grade, PSA 8 and above prices are going plummet....In my mind....it won’t be long.....it’s not a matter of if anymore......it’s when...that time is getting closer and closer. If law and order doesn’t handle it the lack of buyers will

[ullmandds]

Originally Posted by Johnny630

PSA high grade, PSA 8 and above prices are going plummet....In my mind....it won’t be long.....it’s not a matter of if anymore......it’s when...that time is getting closer and closer. If law and order doesn’t handle it the lack of buyers will

Is it time to sell my only psa 10...a GRONK rookie??????

[Johnny630]

Originally Posted by ullmandds

Is it time to sell my only psa 10...a GRONK rookie??????

Yes ! Immediately

[Scott L.]

Still buying....

[Rhotchkiss]

Peter, sounds like a good subject for another article. Things like this must get off the message boards and into the mainstream

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Rhotchkiss

Peter, sounds like a good subject for another article. Things like this must get off the message boards and into the mainstream

Without someone with inside knowledge willing to break ranks with the machine, nothing in the public domain is going to help. It's a joke -- all the shit that's been exposed and the stock is way up and the submission queue has never been longer. My friend can't even get a card reholdered for me after THREE months. And so far, no one on the inside is breaking ranks, they're too busy feeding at the trough. PSA has it all figured out. Give Joe credit. The brand he built/solidified looks like it can withstand a nuclear attack.

Will law enforcement make a difference? We'll see.

[Johnny630]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Without someone with inside knowledge willing to break ranks with the machine, nothing in the public domain is going to help. It's a joke -- all the shit that's been exposed and the stock is way up and the submission queue has never been longer. My friend can't even get a card reholdered for me after THREE months. And so far, no one on the inside is breaking ranks, they're too busy feeding at the trough. PSA has it all figured out. Give Joe credit. The brand he built/solidified looks like it can withstand a nuclear attack.

Will law enforcement make a difference? We'll see.

Peter I have confidence someone is gonna roll.....will open the flood gates....I know it’s disheartening hang in there...it’s gonna come back to bite them in their rear.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Hmmmm.... last Mile High had some controversy and cards taken down -- we'll see if there's any substance to this one (from BO).

https://www.blowoutforums.com/showpo...postcount=5567

[Fuddjcal]

Originally Posted by Johnny630

Peter I have confidence someone is gonna roll.....will open the flood gates....I know it’s disheartening hang in there...it’s gonna come back to bite them in their rear.

Maybe Fred will Roll?


https://youtu.be/5haMVR5my-s?t=71

[WhenItWasAHobby]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Without someone with inside knowledge willing to break ranks with the machine, nothing in the public domain is going to help. It's a joke -- all the shit that's been exposed and the stock is way up and the submission queue has never been longer. My friend can't even get a card reholdered for me after THREE months. And so far, no one on the inside is breaking ranks, they're too busy feeding at the trough. PSA has it all figured out. Give Joe credit. The brand he built/solidified looks like it can withstand a nuclear attack.

Will law enforcement make a difference? We'll see.

That's a very good assessment of the situation and it is maddening that PSA has not even made a public gesture to attempt to minimize or curtail the number of doctored cards being holdered, but rather it's just business as usual. I regard their silence as an admission that they can't detect altered cards and have no interest in spending money and time on technology to address the problem. Why should they? They're making money hand over fist and why cut into the profits?

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by WhenItWasAHobby

That's a very good assessment of the situation and it is maddening that PSA has not even made a public gesture to attempt to minimize or curtail the number of doctored cards being holdered, but rather it's just business as usual. I regard their silence as an admission that they can't detect altered cards and have no interest in spending money and time on technology to address the problem. Why should they? They're making money hand over fist and why cut into the profits?

Or they can detect them, but choose not to because it's what the business is built on.

[Fuddjcal]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

https://www.blowoutforums.com/showth...315750&page=51

and other pages on same the thread

Seriously. WTF is going on with PSA and this guy? What is the process here by which this is happening? I have spoken to dealers who have submitted high end vintage cards for a lifetime and haven't received as many 10s as this guy seems to get on a single submission. Some that can be traced to lower grade holders, some that can't.

This is really effed up, IMO.

Is there ever going to be a reckoning? Or is nobody ever going to bite the hand that feeds him?

And to think guys like this scammer are like ANTS. THEY ARE EVERYWHERE. This just one of a handful that is caught. There are 50 others for every one outed and that's conservative, IMHO.

[Rickyy]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

https://www.blowoutforums.com/showth...315750&page=51

and other pages on same the thread

Seriously. WTF is going on with PSA and this guy? What is the process here by which this is happening? I have spoken to dealers who have submitted high end vintage cards for a lifetime and haven't received as many 10s as this guy seems to get on a single submission. Some that can be traced to lower grade holders, some that can't.

This is really effed up, IMO.

Is there ever going to be a reckoning? Or is nobody ever going to bite the hand that feeds him?

Even if you go to his web page, there is no information as to who he (they) really are or where they are even located. You have to contact them first via email....


Ricky Y

[Peter_Spaeth]

Elsewhere on the thread their names and locations have been identified.

[Exhibitman]

Here is my question for anyone who really believes that PSA is corrupt: what are you doing about it?
--Still submitting cards?
--Still selling PSA product?
--Still collecting PSA product?
--Still have a PSA Collectors Club membership?
--Still have PSA registry sets?

Why not start to take a stand by resigning your PSA CC membership and deleting your registry sets? Or start a public boycott of PSA services and products? Complaining on a chat board about this purportedly corrupt entity isn't principled in and of itself, it is just whining.

[ullmandds]

Originally Posted by Exhibitman

Here is my question for anyone who really believes that PSA is corrupt: what are you doing about it?
--Still submitting cards?
--Still selling PSA product?
--Still collecting PSA product?
--Still have a PSA Collectors Club membership?
--Still have PSA registry sets?

Why not start to take a stand by resigning your PSA CC membership and deleting your registry sets? Or start a public boycott of PSA services and products? Complaining on a chat board about this purportedly corrupt entity isn't principled in and of itself, it is just whining.

YES! Totally agree!!! But my livelihood doesn't depend on PSA.

[Fuddjcal]

Originally Posted by Exhibitman

Here is my question for anyone who really believes that PSA is corrupt: what are you doing about it?
--Still submitting cards?
--Still selling PSA product?
--Still collecting PSA product?
--Still have a PSA Collectors Club membership?
--Still have PSA registry sets?

Why not start to take a stand by resigning your PSA CC membership and deleting your registry sets? Or start a public boycott of PSA services and products? Complaining on a chat board about this purportedly corrupt entity isn't principled in and of itself, it is just whining.

AAAAAAGREED. I don't do any of those things...other than the whining of course.

I find it a fascinating testament on the human condition.

Collectors on this board don't want to hear about what they should do. They want to collect what they love so they can Continue to get their teeth handed to them by a billion dollar corrupt industry.

Yes, fascinating indeed.